Range Report: 3-in-1, Fletcher Arms 6/20-22/22

[BassCliff]

Greetings!

Mrs. BassCliff has been out of town this week visiting her Mom. To combat my boredom I went to the range three days in a row. I actually got a little sloppy, had a little slump, but then started concentrating again on fundamentals and saw some improvement. After this "marathon" session (five range days out of the last seven) I'm going to wait at least a week before going again and do a little dry fire laser practice in my basement.

On Monday I went to Fletcher Arms Lake Country. I was assigned lane #11, my favorite lane!

It was a little busy today. I was not able to get good times on my 10-10-10 drills so I shot mostly for marksmanship practice.

I just sent all my targets out to ten yards and did my best.

It looks kind of lonely out there all by itself.

I was able to get a good time on my cold 10-10-10 drill.

But I see only nine holes. It's certainly possible that one was off the paper. It's been known to happen. I shot ten B-8 targets this day. The last two were weak hand only.

OK, let's get serious. #6 is looking better.

Drat. #7 still has four shots out of the black.

#8 is marginally better with only three out of the black.

#9 weak hand only was really lousy. I guess I should get back in the habit of practicing W.H.O. more.

#10 W.H.O. is marginally better.

Once again I brought out Mrs. BassCliff's CW9 to practice with. After two shots I noticed the front sight fell off, again.

I've ordered a new front sight from Kahr, a TruGlo that uses a real screw fastener for attachment instead of the glue and plastic spreader tabs. Let's hope the new sight stays on and Mrs. BassCliff likes it.

I also brought my P22 for a little plinking fun. At 10 yards it still seems to shoot a little left. I'm going to adjust the rear sight a little more and report back.

Then I said goodbye to all my brass casings. I'm really going to have to get into reloading.

Here's a little video of my fun that day.

I will continue this little thread with my other visits to the range this week. I've been alternating between the two Fletcher Arms ranges for variety. Thanks for looking.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[youngolddude]

Save your reloadable brass. Even if you never get into it, it's worth something to those who do. You could even say it's once fired.

 

[Jfal]

I started saving brass a couple years ago, thinking I might reload one day. It's starting to take up space, but I have extra space. Given what's occurring with the world economy and that little is being done anywhere to counter inflation, it seems logical.

I'm jealous Cliff....I'm in my industry's busiest time of year and I just can't seem to find the time to hit the range more than once a month these days...

 

[KillerFord1977]

Greetings!

Mrs. BassCliff has been out of town this week visiting her Mom. To combat my boredom I went to the range three days in a row. I actually got a little sloppy, had a little slump, but then started concentrating again on fundamentals and saw some improvement. After this "marathon" session (five range days out of the last seven) I'm going to wait at least a week before going again and do a little dry fire laser practice in my basement.

On Monday I went to Fletcher Arms Lake Country. I was assigned lane #11, my favorite lane!

It was a little busy today. I was not able to get good times on my 10-10-10 drills so I shot mostly for marksmanship practice.

I just sent all my targets out to ten yards and did my best.

It looks kind of lonely out there all by itself.

I was able to get a good time on my cold 10-10-10 drill.

But I see only nine holes. It's certainly possible that one was off the paper. It's been known to happen. I shot ten B-8 targets this day. The last two were weak hand only.

OK, let's get serious. #6 is looking better.

Drat. #7 still has four shots out of the black.

#8 is marginally better with only three out of the black.

#9 weak hand only was really lousy. I guess I should get back in the habit of practicing W.H.O. more.

#10 W.H.O. is marginally better.

Once again I brought out Mrs. BassCliff's CW9 to practice with. After two shots I noticed the front sight fell off, again.

I've ordered a new front sight from Kahr, a TruGlo that uses a real screw fastener for attachment instead of the glue and plastic spreader tabs. Let's hope the new sight stays on and Mrs. BassCliff likes it.

I also brought my P22 for a little plinking fun. At 10 yards it still seems to shoot a little left. I'm going to adjust the rear sight a little more and report back.

Then I said goodbye to all my brass casings. I'm really going to have to get into reloading.

Here's a little video of my fun that day.

I will continue this little thread with my other visits to the range this week. I've been alternating between the two Fletcher Arms ranges for variety. Thanks for looking.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

BassCliff,
In your comment on the P22, you comment on “low left”. I’ll point out from my perspective that most of your shots on your strings on B8’s hit low left .
Maybe your grip and trigger pull across the platforms.
Just my .02 cents

Ask @SimonRL . I notoriously shoot low left with my cross eye dominance . Right handed left eye dominant shooter . If I am 2 o clock, I bullseye almost all the time. If I aim bullseye, I shoot 7 oclock low

 

[BassCliff]

Hi!

I'm back for range day #2 this week. This Fletcher Arms is a little closer and is an older facility but has all the essentials, lanes, targets, target rails, guns, ammo, accessories, and people who love it all.

I checked in at the, um, check-in desk. It was not too busy yet. It was really warm today and the range lanes themselves do not have air conditioning.

But it was not uncomfortable. I came from the Southwest where it gets over 110° quite often. Ninety degrees is nothin'. I was assigned lane # 10. It's my favorite lane!

This area is the "long range" where you must shoot at least 10 yards out to 25 yards. There is another section of the building where the max distance is 17 feet. I have not shot in that part of the range yet. Today I bought an actual B-8 target to start with. My big B-27 silhouettes are too curly. Last time I taped a couple of pennies to the bottom edge. These B-8 targets are already flat but cost 50¢ each. I just ordered one hundred for less than four cents each, including tax and shipping. These are great to tape on the B-8 centers that I print.

There are some numbers on the wall to gauge your distance. That's it. Sometimes I will go to a lane on the other side of the room to see if I'm close. You'll run your target all the way out to the end to get 75 feet.

I was able to time a few of my 10-10-10 drills today. This was the first cold test.

Here's #2, with one off the paper. Drat.

Here's #3 with two off the paper, eight on the black, and just over par time. Drat.

Here's the rest of the B-8 targets. "NT" means "not timed" but I don't remember if it was slow-fired or the timer was messed up by shooters in the other lanes. I need to work on my marksmanship anyway.

I forget which of these targets I have video for. I'll post it at the end. I find it surprising that I can get nine shots in the black and then send one out to the 6 ring. Doh!

Today I thought perhaps using a different target would help. The 2" circle on the 1" grid has always been one of my favorite dry fire laser practice targets. Let's give it a whirl. I shot five of these. Meh.

I was going to say, "At least they're all on the paper" but then there's #5. Oops.

I know. I'll switch to the 8" reactive targets. They're always fun. I think I did a little better.

I had fourteen bullets left for the last magazine. They all made it on the target at ten yards. Yay me.

I brought out my P22 and, sure enough, it was still shooting left. So I adjusted the rear sight a bit and now I'm missing to the right just as well as the left.

Here's a little video of a few of my targets, the better ones. The bad ones were a little embarrassing. I'll get back to basics.

OK, one more day at the range this week coming up in the next post of this thread. Thanks for putting up with me. I've been having a bit too much fun while Mrs. BassCliff is out of town.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[BassCliff]

Hi!

OK, one more range day this week. I told myself I was going to quit goofing off and get back to fundamentals today, grip, sight picture, straight trigger pull, etc, all the usual stuff. But it really didn't come together until the end of my session. The drive out to the Fletcher Arms Lake Country range is quite a bit different than my drive out to the Lytle Creek Firing Line. This one is a LOT greener.

It didn't look too busy at this store today, but it picked up.

I was assigned lane #10, my favorite lane!

That yellow target was left over from yesterday. I just taped my B-8 centers on it and had my fun. I shot at ten yards again for this whole session.

Just in case you forgot was the target looks like at distance. (I know, I'm a smart-alec.)

I think I have this first test on video. I really tried to push the time on this one, hence the lack of accuracy. They are all on the paper, barely. You'll notice one shot on the tape in the lower left corner.

Seems I was able to time this one too. I slowed down a little but not enough to help. Two off the paper.

I slowed down a little more. Only one off the paper.

OK, #4 is marginally better. At least they're all back on the paper.

I slowed down a little more for #5, not that it helped. There's a shot in the 7 ring and another shot in the lower left corner where the tape is. Pffft!

OK, let's see how I do with the 8" reactive targets. These are a little easier for my old eyes to see.

Oh, this is my first Hateful Eight drill, over 14 seconds. I did two of these today, both on the video. It's kind of hard to do these on a lane. I worry about where my magazines are going to land.

In fact, one of my magazine got launched out in front of me. The other two shooters were kind enough to let me call a cease-fire so I could retrieve it. Here's my second Hateful Eight. I improved on my time just a little.

I patched up the reactive and sent it back out to 10 yards from some slow fire marksmanship practice. I was really concentrating on all the fundamentals. Things seems to improve.

Just to make sure it wasn't a fluke, I pasted on a new target and tried it again. This one had a bit more of a spread but they all were on the 8" target.

I had just three bullets left from the 100 rounds I had planned to use today. I sent a target out to 25 yards just for fun.

Dang! It look so small out there.

Well, there's one on the target, one on the paper, and I don't know where the other one went. I've done better.

As I left I perused the ammo sale they were having. Not a huge discount or anything, but reasonable for a brick-and-mortar store. They were selling a 100 box of Federal for $43. But I didn't need any ammo today.

OK, I'm going to take a break from live fire for a few days and go practice some dry fire in my basement. I need to get back to fundamentals. I'm getting lazy and un-focused. I can't blame it all on my old eyes. Thanks for putting up with me!

Oh, before I go, here's the video from this session.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[BassCliff]

Hi guys!

Save your reloadable brass. Even if you never get into it, it's worth something to those who do. You could even say it's once fired.

I keep telling myself, "One of these days..." I guess even if I never get into reloading I could sell it for, what? $5 a pound?

I started saving brass a couple years ago, thinking I might reload one day. It's starting to take up space, but I have extra space. Given what's occurring with the world economy and that little is being done anywhere to counter inflation, it seems logical.

I'm jealous Cliff....I'm in my industry's busiest time of year and I just can't seem to find the time to hit the range more than once a month these days...

With a decent reloader around $750 I'm not sure I could justify the expense. I'll have to crunch the numbers and present my case to the finance committee.

I think I'll go back to my once a week schedule for several reasons; expense, quality practice time, don't enforce bad habits.

BassCliff,
In your comment on the P22, you comment on “low left”. I’ll point out from my perspective that most of your shots on your strings on B8’s hit low left .
Maybe your grip and trigger pull across the platforms.
Just my .02 cents

Ask @SimonRL . I notoriously shoot low left with my cross eye dominance . Right handed left eye dominant shooter . If I am 2 o clock, I bullseye almost all the time. If I aim bullseye, I shoot 7 oclock low

I had one good week so I thought, "I got this." But I don't got this. I've been having too much fun and forgetting fundamentals, not concentrating on sight picture and a "straight back" trigger pull. As I was going through my video (I didn't post all of it) one frame at a time, I could tell which were the wide shots. I could see the muzzle get pulled low, just a smidge, just before the shot launched. I'll get back to basics. I'm trying to get POA and POI to be exactly the same. Thanks for the tips.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[KillerFord1977]

Hi guys!



I keep telling myself, "One of these days..." I guess even if I never get into reloading I could sell it for, what? $5 a pound?



With a decent reloader around $750 I'm not sure I could justify the expense. I'll have to crunch the numbers and present my case to the finance committee.

I think I'll go back to my once a week schedule for several reasons; expense, quality practice time, don't enforce bad habits.



I had one good week so I thought, "I got this." But I don't got this. I've been having too much fun and forgetting fundamentals, not concentrating on sight picture and a "straight back" trigger pull. As I was going through my video (I didn't post all of it) one frame at a time, I could tell which were the wide shots. I could see the muzzle get pulled low, just a smidge, just before the shot launched. I'll get back to basics. I'm trying to get POA and POI to be exactly the same. Thanks for the tips.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

Come to Texas and join @SimonRL with me for range day. We’ll have you a B8 master in no time .
Kidding … but your welcome to Tx anytime.
Keep slugging away.

Maybe go back to slow , no time limit on your B8’s. Get accuracy down, THEN go back to speed.

 

[Bassbob]

BassCliff,
In your comment on the P22, you comment on “low left”. I’ll point out from my perspective that most of your shots on your strings on B8’s hit low left .
Maybe your grip and trigger pull across the platforms.
Just my .02 cents

Ask @SimonRL . I notoriously shoot low left with my cross eye dominance . Right handed left eye dominant shooter . If I am 2 o clock, I bullseye almost all the time. If I aim bullseye, I shoot 7 oclock low

Do you shoot with both eyes open ? I am cross eye dominant and I shoot with both eyes open and ( By now) habitually present the gun in front of my left ( dominant) eye. My handgun shooting dramatically improved when I made this adjustment ( which I came up with myself, since all the other prescribed methods of dealing with XED were and are inferior solutions.)

 

[KillerFord1977]

Do you shoot with both eyes open ? I am cross eye dominant and I shoot with both eyes open and ( By now) habitually present the gun in front of my left ( dominant) eye. My handgun shooting dramatically improved when I made this adjustment ( which I came up with myself, since all the other prescribed methods of dealing with XED were and are inferior solutions.)

Yes
Both eyes open
I cannot wink or close one eye.

 

[Bassbob]

Yes
Both eyes open
I cannot wink or close one eye.

Do you scooch your gun over slightly to the left so it's lined up in front of your left eye?

 

[KillerFord1977]

Do you scooch your gun over slightly to the left so it's lined up in front of your left eye?

No
Doesnt work for me.
I cant me head
Have for 30 yrs
Learned to adapt after everything 5 firearms instructors tried didn't work.
I developed muscle memory on everything I shoot with a pistol to go 2 o clock and I will bullseye any pistol.
Overcome and adapt

 

[Annihilator]

Greetings!

Mrs. BassCliff has been out of town this week visiting her Mom. To combat my boredom I went to the range three days in a row. I actually got a little sloppy, had a little slump, but then started concentrating again on fundamentals and saw some improvement. After this "marathon" session (five range days out of the last seven) I'm going to wait at least a week before going again and do a little dry fire laser practice in my basement.

On Monday I went to Fletcher Arms Lake Country. I was assigned lane #11, my favorite lane!

It was a little busy today. I was not able to get good times on my 10-10-10 drills so I shot mostly for marksmanship practice.

I just sent all my targets out to ten yards and did my best.

It looks kind of lonely out there all by itself.

I was able to get a good time on my cold 10-10-10 drill.

But I see only nine holes. It's certainly possible that one was off the paper. It's been known to happen. I shot ten B-8 targets this day. The last two were weak hand only.

OK, let's get serious. #6 is looking better.

Drat. #7 still has four shots out of the black.

#8 is marginally better with only three out of the black.

#9 weak hand only was really lousy. I guess I should get back in the habit of practicing W.H.O. more.

#10 W.H.O. is marginally better.

Once again I brought out Mrs. BassCliff's CW9 to practice with. After two shots I noticed the front sight fell off, again.

I've ordered a new front sight from Kahr, a TruGlo that uses a real screw fastener for attachment instead of the glue and plastic spreader tabs. Let's hope the new sight stays on and Mrs. BassCliff likes it.

I also brought my P22 for a little plinking fun. At 10 yards it still seems to shoot a little left. I'm going to adjust the rear sight a little more and report back.

Then I said goodbye to all my brass casings. I'm really going to have to get into reloading.

Here's a little video of my fun that day.

I will continue this little thread with my other visits to the range this week. I've been alternating between the two Fletcher Arms ranges for variety. Thanks for looking.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

You have one of the best ranges I have seen, wish the ones in my area were like that, jealous here….

 

[KillerFord1977]

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Kinda agree you might be cross eyed dominant or something @KillerFord1977

This here … uhh… cant say the “r” word anymore… can still kick the out of you in shoot off

 

[Annihilator]

This here … uhh… cant say the “r” word anymore… can still kick the out of you in shoot off

Deleted the pic, was just messin with ya, sorry, won’t happen again, plus only way you could beat me in a shoot off is if I use one of 10mm’s yeet cannons

 

[KillerFord1977]

Deleted the pic, was just messin with ya, sorry, won’t happen again, plus only way you could beat me in a shoot off is if I use one of 10mm’s yeet cannons

Come to Tx… have a beer … meet Simon and I.
You may be right. You may be wrong.
Either way it will be a good day and there will be no winners or losers.
Unless you wear the new Minions Movie shirt.
Then you’ll be like Biden on a bike

 

[BassCliff]

Hi,

You have one of the best ranges I have seen, wish the ones in my area were like that, jealous here….

I am fortunate. My membership allows me to use both of the Fletcher ranges in the area. One is close, the other is closer. The close one is more modern with the zoot touch screen target controls. The closer one is the older facility but it gets the job done.

I'm more used to outdoor ranges. I want to run-n-gun, scoot-n-shoot from behind cover at moving targets and multiple targets, and all that other tactical stuff I used to do at the Lytle Creek Firing Line in SoCal. They do a lot of that stuff indoors here. Weird. I have yet to visit an outdoor range here in the upper Midwest. The only one I know of that's somewhat close is still 45 minutes away but you have to stay in your lane, one shot per second, no private bays. At least at Fletcher's you can rapid fire.

But first I need to get back to basics. I'll put a pause on the 10-10-10 drill and work on fundamental grip, sight picture, and trigger pull. But that Hateful Eight drill is so fun!


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

 

[youngolddude]

I had a few thoughts; maybe POI a bit low and sights could be shifted a bit right. Then I saw targets with higher hits that were more centered, so I retract those thoughts. Your indoor range is nice. I've never used one. Some of my pistols have sights that are hard to see with dark bullseyes.
I get that a reloading setup can be pricey. I got a Dillon Square Deal once that was put out prior to a cowboy match. Other folks have set out stuff for free or low cost, too. I bought a shotshell press cheap once and years later set it out with a free sign. Keep your eye out, it happens.

 

[youngolddude]

I forgot to say that Dillon was FREE. I gave it to Dillon who went through it for free as well. I had the cartridge conversion from the package deal I got from my doctor who decided not to reload anymore.

 

[BassCliff]

Hi!

I had a few thoughts; maybe POI a bit low and sights could be shifted a bit right. Then I saw targets with higher hits that were more centered, so I retract those thoughts. Your indoor range is nice. I've never used one. Some of my pistols have sights that are hard to see with dark bullseyes.
I get that a reloading setup can be pricey. I got a Dillon Square Deal once that was put out prior to a cowboy match. Other folks have set out stuff for free or low cost, too. I bought a shotshell press cheap once and years later set it out with a free sign. Keep your eye out, it happens.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, thanks for your time. I don't think it's the pistol, the sights, or the ammo. The shooter needs to be updated. Next week I'll get back to some pure marksmanship fundamentals.

I'll also keep my eye out for used reloading gear. That's a great idea. You can't hardly beat free.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff