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Range Report: .45 Practice, 10/26/25

Looks like fun, and that you had a good time, as always! And in my book, you get credit just for being at a range working on any type of shooting skill, with any gun. I’ve always wondered what those little derringers in the big calibers (including the shotgun barrels) would feel/shoot like.

Gives me a hankering to get my Emissary .45 to the range (that I still haven’t attached anything to the AOS receptor)!

Hankering = a strong desire to have or do something.
 
So here is my take from training many LEO's, and from being trained by many LEO's.

Basic marksmanship is golden. There is no substitute and we should strive to develop the best marksmanship we are capable of. After more than 60 years shooting handguns, many training and instructor courses behind me, and many tens of thousand rounds downrange, I am rarely satisfied with my performance. I am not a naturally gifted shooters like others I have known. I have to work at it. It is a lifelong struggle that I will never be finished with, but I still try to be as good as my abilities every session on the range. I also note that my skills drop off after about 2 weeks of not practicing. That is true for me with shotgun as well. Coming off several months recovery from knee surgery I lost my MOJO and am trying to get it back (what little I had).

With all that said, combat shooting is not bullseye shooting. Speed, power, and accuracy determine the outcome of gunfights.

You have to be fast, but not so fast to sacrifice accuracy. You can't miss fast enough to win. As Wyatt Earp said, you have to learn to hurry up slowly.

Your handgun must have enough power to get the job done. NIJ did a lot of research in the 60's and 70's to find the best caliber handgun to stop an attacker. Too little power and it may be accurate but won't stop the attacker. Too much power and recoil and muzzle flash my hinder subsequent shots, and training novices to shoot accurately on heavy calibers has its own set of problems.

Shot placement is key. You have to hit the right spot to put the attacker out of the fight. While precision marksmnship is important, it takes time. While you my be a deadeye marksman, that doesn't help if you took too long and your opponent has already landed several hits on you. It's why we shoot for center mass, or in the incapacitation zone rather than for a small bullseye in combat shooting. The goal is to land multiple solid hits quickly to win the fight.

With all that said, you still need a modicum of precision skills, in the event you need to land shots on a particular part of the aggressors anatomy or take shots at a greater distance.

What I want to see on an officer's qualification target are multiple hits in the zone with no misses and not necessarily a tight group, that are shot within a compressed time limit.

The rule of 3's is usually in play. That is, most gunfights begin at 3 yards or less, 3 shots are fired or less, and it is over in 3 seconds or less, so that is a priority scenario to train for, but don't neglect training at greater distances“
Your quote:

“You have to be fast, but not so fast to sacrifice accuracy. You can't miss fast enough to win. As Wyatt Earp said, you have to learn to hurry up slowly.“

That is why one needs to be good at basic fundamentals of technique. It doesnt have to be bullseyes all the time, but accuracy will suffer when speed increased if basic fundamental handgun skills are not present. Goal of shooting is consistency. Slow or rapid fire, one should be “consistent”. If rounds cannot fall in a consistent “pattern” when slow firing, they surely wont fall into “the zone” when speed and duress is added.

Heaven forbid one gets into a SD situation. Training and instinct kicks in.

I’ll give a personal example when lack of training- skill set may lose the day.
I got charged years ago by a hog. Big boar pissed off I encroached on his harem to put them down. He bummed rushed me from 30-40 yards away. Misses on target with a .45 drawing from holster. Only one round connected. I had to side step behind and tree and fumble for a reload as he reengaged and came back in on me. I dropped him close in with next mag. I thought I was a good shooter. Adequate. I was not as it turned out and certainly under duress. I put more time into training after that. Next group of hogs in the future after that got dropped. All rounds on target. With speed & accuracy.

Complacancy with a firearm may/could/ will cost you your life when you need it most.
Most here carry for SD, not just “range time”. Pay attention with your SD time practice.
 
Now that I am older, 60 in the rearview mirror, the 45 has retaken its place on my hip. Lot of reasons for that. Familiar of course, because a 1911 was on my hip until the late 90's when I went Glock with a Trijicon. Couple few years ago the SIG 365 XL took its place due to size, trigger, 1911 style safety and a Holosun Green reticle. But now, as often as not I am back to the 1911 platform. Partly because as a retired old timer I leave the house for a short time at a time. Going to the gas station and the grocery store is not like carrying a 1911 on my hip for 14 hour days like when I was younger. Being retires almost ten years now, the 1911 is almost always on my hip again. It just feels right.
 
On, first of all I’m not taking sides on this conversation, but @KillerFord1977 does make a valid point on concentrating with one gun then other may follow, when I first started at my sheriff dept and carrying, I kept switching guns all the time, either a Ruger LCR, S&W Shield, SA Compact 1911…..then a good friend (deputy) told me to just get proficient with just one gun and quite switching all the time, so I took his advice and began just using the SA compact 1911, my shooting became a hell of a lot better, this is just my opinion, and I will give @BassCliff all the credit for going to the range and taking classes, like I said I’m not picking sides here, just my thoughts
 
On, first of all I’m not taking sides on this conversation, but @KillerFord1977 does make a valid point on concentrating with one gun then other may follow, when I first started at my sheriff dept and carrying, I kept switching guns all the time, either a Ruger LCR, S&W Shield, SA Compact 1911…..then a good friend (deputy) told me to just get proficient with just one gun and quite switching all the time, so I took his advice and began just using the SA compact 1911, my shooting became a hell of a lot better, this is just my opinion, and I will give @BassCliff all the credit for going to the range and taking classes, like I said I’m not picking sides here, just my thoughts
Yeah, but then what do I do with the “rest” of my guns? 😃
 
My 1st handgun was a Ruger Security-Six .357 magnum. I started shooting at 25 yards simply because I didn't know any better. That was the range I set up to sight in my .22 rifle so that's what I used to start with the handgun. I shot mostly .38s with a few .357s thrown in here and there. I slowly tightened up my groups by shooting 50 to 100 rounds every day after I got home from work . When I got to the point I was satisfied by shooting the bullseye out of the target , I switched to my left hand and started all over again while also staying tuned up with my right ( dominate ) hand.

One day at work a friend and I were talking guns and he asked if I had ever shot a semi-auto . I said that I had a semi-auto .22 rifle. He said that he was talking handguns and the answer was no. He told me he was going to bring his S&W model 39 the next day for me to take home and try out. I was able to do with it the same as I was with my revolver. Shoot the bullseye out. I threw a tin can out on the ground , shot and as it flew through the air I tracked it and shot it again as it hit the ground . I did that until I emptied the magazine.

I am of the belief that you practice with one firearm until you master your technique then you can start building speed and it will carry over to other firearms.

I will add this , I was a very young man when I started my handgun shooting journey . Now days I don't get out and shoot as much as I would like do to health issues and I can no longer put every shot in the bullseye when I want to.
 

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Hey guys!

I really appreciate this conversation. So many of you have great insight and experiences. I feel honored that you share them with me. If I may, I don't feel there are any "sides" here. We all want to continue improving and help others do the same. Procedures and equipment may vary a little but we all have similar goals. I'll state again that I really enjoy this community. You guys are the best.

Not to brag but I do have lots of good days with my EDC, usually my VP9. From a few weeks ago, here's a timed 10-10-10 drill (10 shots at 10 yards in under 10 seconds) with 1st shot at 1.4 seconds, 10th shot at 6.53 seconds, and a passing score of 90 points.

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The very next target I slowed down a little (untimed) for the next 10 shots at 10 yards.

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I think I do pretty well with the VP9 and XD9 because they're in my regular rotation. But I want to shoot my .45s better so I'll be practicing with them more often. I need to work on my consistency across all platforms.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Hey guys!

I really appreciate this conversation. So many of you have great insight and experiences. I feel honored that you share them with me. If I may, I don't feel there are any "sides" here. We all want to continue improving and help others do the same. Procedures and equipment may vary a little but we all have similar goals. I'll state again that I really enjoy this community. You guys are the best.

Not to brag but I do have lots of good days with my EDC, usually my VP9. From a few weeks ago, here's a timed 10-10-10 drill (10 shots at 10 yards in under 10 seconds) with 1st shot at 1.4 seconds, 10th shot at 6.53 seconds, and a passing score of 90 points.

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The very next target I slowed down a little (untimed) for the next 10 shots at 10 yards.

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I think I do pretty well with the VP9 and XD9 because they're in my regular rotation. But I want to shoot my .45s better so I'll be practicing with them more often. I need to work on my consistency across all platforms.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
Good shooting Cliff
 
Hey guys!

I really appreciate this conversation. So many of you have great insight and experiences. I feel honored that you share them with me. If I may, I don't feel there are any "sides" here. We all want to continue improving and help others do the same. Procedures and equipment may vary a little but we all have similar goals. I'll state again that I really enjoy this community. You guys are the best.

Not to brag but I do have lots of good days with my EDC, usually my VP9. From a few weeks ago, here's a timed 10-10-10 drill (10 shots at 10 yards in under 10 seconds) with 1st shot at 1.4 seconds, 10th shot at 6.53 seconds, and a passing score of 90 points.

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The very next target I slowed down a little (untimed) for the next 10 shots at 10 yards.

View attachment 96643

I think I do pretty well with the VP9 and XD9 because they're in my regular rotation. But I want to shoot my .45s better so I'll be practicing with them more often. I need to work on my consistency across all platforms.

Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
Looks like you got her dialed in!
 
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