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Should training be mandatory? Answer: No!

Bassbob

Ronin
You are ignoring a problem because you fear the solution might be used to infringe 2A rights. So you're willing to put American citizens in increased danger just to protect your right to keep and bear arms. A right that will likely not be restricted by a safety training requirement. Don't you think that's a little selfish? I'm pretty sure the ultimate intent of our forefathers for the 2A is to protect the nation by providing the ability to defend the Constitution. Well, a nation is made up of people. The very people who will find themselves in increased danger from untrained gun owners exercising their 2A rights. That danger can be reduced with training.
Still waiting for you to show us that it has been a problem.
 

BobM

Hellcat
Slanted or biased news, that's what Fox News is infamous for. So if you're depending upon Fox News as a source of continuing education, what you're learning will never be in the history books. Further, and further from the truth you will be led. We're seeing today just how dangerous propaganda really is. If the propaganda is promoted long enough it develops it's own momentum. For example, the QAnon phenomenon. Has anyone seen John F. Kennedy? QAnon said he was supposed to show up, from the dead. Talk about twisting people's minds!

Found out long ago not to entirely rely on any one particular network for news. Fox was only used as an hopefully obvious example that some people could relate to easier. It's best to know, watch and read news from various networks to get a better understanding of news and events and also to get a better idea of the reality from my experience. Just because something's read or watched, doesn't mean someone has to believe in it does it? Sure as heck hope not.
 

TSiWRX

Professional
There are many who think Gov't mandated training , to acquire a concealed carry license , is needed to stop private citizens from shooting up everything in sight. I would like a few links to the news articles showing this " shooting up everything and injuring others " to be a problem.

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So , I am waiting for links to all the news stories proving mandated training is needed to prevent blood running in the streets of USA.

^ Exactly one of the points that I keep coming back to, myself.

Empirically, we just haven't seen this to be true. Every time when the antis have shouted from the rooftops that so-and-such new pro-gun law is going to result in carnage in the streets and blood overflowing storm drains, the truth after the law passes and is enacted is 180-degrees opposite.
 

BobM

Hellcat
Still waiting for you to show us that it has been a problem.

I do see your point BB, wish some others did too.
Safety should always be a concern with one or whatever number of people. But, the biggest issue or problem seen is many things are blown out of proportion and context by one group or another for their own self centered purposes.

Gun violence verses the USA's population? Um, it's a bit staggering? See the population census link below. Even with what all firearms violence or accidents combined that are reported in national news, what's the percentage rate and comparisons? Ballpark, not even really close to being as bad or terrible as some people may think?

 

Chuck B

Operator
personally, I do not like posting long stories, but this is excerpted from a news article I read this morning that happened in Ohio.
"A Canton man pulled over for speeding is accused of lifting a loaded gun to an Ohio State Highway Patrol trooper's face before the trooper was able to grab it away.

the man was reaching around inside the car for something. The trooper told him to stop, and he asked the man to step outside the car.

When he did, the man reportedly reached down beside his right leg and pulled a loaded gun up "towards my face," the trooper wrote in the jail records. The trooper grabbed the gun from his hand and arrested him.

Sgt. David Garber of the patrol's Canton post said that the man was a concealed carry permit holder, but required training teaches that "you are not allowed to touch the firearm in a law enforcement officer's presence. When he brandished the weapon, that's a threat of violence."
so much for the "required" training....................
 
personally, I do not like posting long stories, but this is excerpted from a news article I read this morning that happened in Ohio.
"A Canton man pulled over for speeding is accused of lifting a loaded gun to an Ohio State Highway Patrol trooper's face before the trooper was able to grab it away.

the man was reaching around inside the car for something. The trooper told him to stop, and he asked the man to step outside the car.

When he did, the man reportedly reached down beside his right leg and pulled a loaded gun up "towards my face," the trooper wrote in the jail records. The trooper grabbed the gun from his hand and arrested him.

Sgt. David Garber of the patrol's Canton post said that the man was a concealed carry permit holder, but required training teaches that "you are not allowed to touch the firearm in a law enforcement officer's presence. When he brandished the weapon, that's a threat of violence."
so much for the "required" training....................
I’ve been through 3 CCDW classes in 3 different states and not one of them discussed that you are “not allowed” to touch your firearm in the presence of law enforcement. Basically if you don’t want to get shot you tell the officer you have a firearm in your possession and if the officer wants to take it from you that’s his decision. Common sense says you don’t touch your gun but we all know how much common sense is common.

I recently became the victim of package theft when the package was stolen at my apartment door.
When the officer showed up to take my report I was on the phone with the shipper also reporting the theft.
I invited the officer into my apartment and the first thing I did was put my call on hold and informed the officer that I had concealed handgun on my right hip, his response was thank you I appreciate that.
Did I need to tell him I was carrying concealed? No I was in my apartment, in my home but I felt that it’s important to be totally upfront with law enforcement. Common sense.
 
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C. Sumpin

Custom
If I'm ever stopped by LE, I keep my hands on the wheel, do as I'm asked.
I may or may not inform LE of the contents of my right front pocket, will
depend on circumstances. Just me.
 

Bassbob

Ronin
I have a lot of friends who are cops. Some of them say they prefer to be informed and others say it just adds tension and stress to the situation. My state has no law requiring it, but I would most likely err on the side of caution and inform the officer. And absolutely, whether I am armed or not, keep my hands on the wheel and make any movements slowly and transparently.
 
I have a lot of friends who are cops. Some of them say they prefer to be informed and others say it just adds tension and stress to the situation. My state has no law requiring it, but I would most likely err on the side of caution and inform the officer. And absolutely, whether I am armed or not, keep my hands on the wheel and make any movements slowly and transparently.
Exactly. In Kentucky my CCDW information is attached to my drivers license and when you are stopped (while driving) you are required by law to present your DL upon request. The caveat to that if you are out walking the dog and approached by law enforcement and asked to present ID you have no obligation to comply. Again common sense says you comply so as to not suggest you are hiding something.
The bottom line is be respectful to law enforcement and the will be respectful to you.
 

Chuck B

Operator
The point behind my earlier post, of the guy in Ohio, was the fact that he had to complete "required (mandated) training" to get his permit, and then he proceeded to ignore what was taught. What good was the mandated training............. I feel that those that want to be responsible will be responsible,
 
I'm going to break a rule just this once and respond after saying I was done, just for you, to satisfy the troll ..... yes I would trust them providing operating a vehicle on public roads were a constitutionally guaranteed right. But seeing as how it is a gov't provided privilege though, I'd prefer to at least feel most of them are proficient at operating a vehicle. As an aside, I'm pretty sure there are some, maybe many out on the roads who have never taken advantage of any training and are actually driving without any license. One day you might even realize that.

Oh and just in closing again let me say there's no day in hell you are or ever will be capable of "conveying common sense to me". You really are a funny lot !!!
And I thought I was satisfying the troll. If there is absolutely no way to convey common sense to those addicted to conspiracy theories, then America is doomed. I guess you're saying that you are too far gone. Sad.
 
" I'm trying to prevent a circumstance from developing that can be used to attack the 2A."

2A is under attack from all sides already. Government intervention (required training) is not going to help, cuz Government only wants to hinder it. I'm coming down on the side that says Uncle Sammy needs to stay out of things he does not intend to promote, and that is 2A, 1A and many A's.

You can slam FOX all you want but Tucker is the real deal.

CNN & MSNBC "actual news shows"??!! They are Left field Tonic (Kapers Milquetoast) and entertainment. I'm sniffing the malodor of true misguided left falling Socialism and worse here.............

Well, it's a wonder such far out perspectives are interested in Firearms topics, I'll give you that. If ur not a troll as USMCVIETVET was.

As for well instructed state licensed vehicle drivers......DUI's everyday and slaughter of innocents on the highways.

Ur up against it Inventor, luck.
2A under attack from all sides already, so why give them another angle? Tucker is a fool. If you want to know what's going on in America today, go to CNN & MSNBC. If you want to feel good about your convictions regarding conspiracy theories, go to Fox. Keep blindly adhering to the Republican nonsense long enough and you'll get to watch reality pass you by.
My perspectives are normal, based upon truth, unlike the far right perspectives of Republican cult members. Interested in firearms? Yes, you probably own one of my firearm inventions.
 
Absolute power corrupts absolutely and I think that happened to the infamous Wayne Lapierre.

We are heading for another democratic society meaning Mob Rules until we get tired of fighting and start over.
That's really what it boils down to isn't it. Mob Rules vs. Tyrant Rules. I'm an American. I have a history of fighting and defeating tyrants. And when that 'Mob' is composed of the majority of American citizens, well then you will see democracy clearly demonstrated. This is how President Joe Biden won the election.
 
The point behind my earlier post, of the guy in Ohio, was the fact that he had to complete "required (mandated) training" to get his permit, and then he proceeded to ignore what was taught. What good was the mandated training............. I feel that those that want to be responsible will be responsible,
Nothing is fullproof. Even seasoned, experienced shooters still have accidental discharges. Safety training has to be initially required and continually reinforced to be effective.
 
Found out long ago not to entirely rely on any one particular network for news. Fox was only used as an hopefully obvious example that some people could relate to easier. It's best to know, watch and read news from various networks to get a better understanding of news and events and also to get a better idea of the reality from my experience. Just because something's read or watched, doesn't mean someone has to believe in it does it? Sure as heck hope not.
I watch CNN to get a sense of what's going on. I'll check out Fox on occasion, mostly to keep up with the latest Republican horseshit. So at least, I'll have some idea of where the latest conspiracy theory I hear about on Main Street, America is coming from.
 

C. Sumpin

Custom
That's really what it boils down to isn't it. Mob Rules vs. Tyrant Rules. I'm an American. I have a history of fighting and defeating tyrants. And when that 'Mob' is composed of the majority of American citizens, well then you will see democracy clearly demonstrated. This is how President Joe Biden won the election.
I think ur pulling my leg. You are having fun aren't you? You could hardly own a firearm or be interested in the 2A or the 1A if you really really believed CNN and entertainment shows like it are genuine news organizations. They are political propaganda outlets promoting the (Communist) State. Bet you enjoy watching daytime soaps to? And believe they are reality? I don't do "conspiracy" theories.

I'll keep having a look at your posts, you are entertaining and outlandish but I'm not going to take you serious.
 
Actually, several large municipalities/departments report on a regular basis, and the information is a matter of public record: NYPD, for one.
I figured that. I was speaking in general terms. And I don't really fault them that don't report. If the issue can be dealt with within the agency, and no harm done, why report. However, reporting such incidents may be useful information regarding training effectiveness that everyone can benefit from.
 
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