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SigP320 Safety Problems Continue – Resulting In Bans from Police Training Ranges!

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Belt Fed said:
For an adrenaline rush we play Russian roulette with a loaded 320, We drive 16 penny nails into pine boards by grabbing the barrel and hitting the nail with the end of the grip. three whacks and you hand it to next person. pretty safe. only three guys shot so far.
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Talyn said:
The same incidents/coments/controveries came up when the Glocks arrived.

Any striker-fired Glock0type trigger system needs to be protected against anything snagging on/going into the trigger guard/trigger area.


And ambulance-chasing lawyers will dive into any controversy to make $$.
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All true but for different reasons, IMHO. Cops were shooting themselves with their Glocks because back then, they were transitioning from revolvers to Glocks and the manual of arms between the two are as polar opposite as you can get. Think about it: you're going from a handgun with a double-action 7-8lb trigger to a striker-fired pistol with a 3lb trigger. That's why guys were coming down with a case of 'Glock Leg', and why pistol-clearing bullet traps became a thing all across the country.
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On a related note, when I used to work for campus police at Indiana University back in the early/mid 90's, we were literally the last department in the state to switch from revolvers to semiauto. We went with the Sig P226. At that time, departments (like Gary IN) were switching from the old weak 9mm to .40S&W. Our department's chief was convinced the P226 was the way to go because you could swap between the .40 and .357 Sig... Carry the .357 Sig as their duty ammo and shoot .40S&W on the range. Though I understand the chief's thinking about this at the time, I disagreed (unspoken in my mind only) because I knew .357 Sig would not really become a thing and that the ammo would be expensive compared to other rounds. Lo and behold, after more than a decade and improvements in ammunition technology and gunpowder chemistry in particular, the .40S&W lost popularity and departments started going back to 9mm for both the added capacity in duty pistols and the superior terminal ballistics...and .357 Sig is even less popular now than it was then! I did a quickie search on Ammoseek and the prices are (best price offered): 45¢/rd for .357 Sig, 23¢/rd for .40S&W, and (shocker!) 8¢/rd for 9mm!
 
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Bassbob said:
Simple. It's always Sig because it's an easy target and..... Lawyers.
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I’m not sure how Sig would be an easier target than any other manufacturer of striker fired weapons (minus the reports of uncommanded discharges). I also doubt all these reports are being made by people who know each other and conspired to get Sig.

I concur 100% with … Lawyers. Though I’m sure they’d be happy to go after any gun manufacturer where they thought they could make a nickel.

And still, always the P320, never the P365 (that I’m aware of), or any other striker fired weapons that Sig might make. Again, as I haven’t reviewed all reported incidents, isn’t it always the basic P320, never the compacts, X-fives, Legions, etc., that is reported to have malfunctioned?
 
Lab4Us said:
I’m not sure how Sig would be an easier target than any other manufacturer of striker fired weapons (minus the reports of uncommanded discharges). I also doubt all these reports are being made by people who know each other and conspired to get Sig.

I concur 100% with … Lawyers. Though I’m sure they’d be happy to go after any gun manufacturer where they thought they could make a nickel.

And still, always the P320, never the P365 (that I’m aware of), or any other striker fired weapons that Sig might make. Again, as I haven’t reviewed all reported incidents, isn’t it always the basic P320, never the compacts, X-fives, Legions, etc., that is reported to have malfunctioned?
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Um, because of the lawsuits. And the lawyers.

I mean unless you can think of another manufacturer who is currently fighting multiple lawsuits for guns that supposedly shoot themselves. Which is ridiculous.
 
Bassbob said:
Um, because of the lawsuits. And the lawyers.

I mean unless you can think of another manufacturer who is currently fighting multiple lawsuits for guns that supposedly shoot themselves. Which is ridiculous.
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i think we’re (maybe just me) missing communication connections. Why is only Sig the one fighting “multiple” lawsuits concerning the P320 when many other manufacturers make similar weapons, even Sig with their non P320 strikers, and those guns aren’t getting involved in as many (if any) such lawsuits? And what would stop lawyers going after those other manufacturers if people were reporting uncommanded discharges concerning firearms besides P320s? Ambulance chasers are ambulance chasers, they don’t care about the target (other than how much money they can make).

I just find it hard to believe that only people that buy or use basic P320s engage in such large scale unsafe gun handling practices and since that would imply there should be just as many people improperly handling non P320 guns, where are those lawsuits for the other manufacturers? Or where are even reports of uncommanded discharges from competitors to the scale of the P320?

And for the record, I didn’t insinuate they shoot themselves. I provided my theory on why the uncommanded discharges might be happening. Don’t claim I’m correct, but certainly claim it’s a possibility, especially given the P320s fully cocked striker when loaded footprint. Certainly more likely (I believe) to fire from bumps and bangs and never being reset before an event than a partially cocked striker model might be.

I’ll admit I’m not a believer in 100% absolutes, 100% of the time. Such as a “Sig P320 could not possibly ever be involved in an uncommanded discharge”. I would not believe that about any gun, even ones advertised as drop safe.

I’m not looking for anyone to agree with my thoughts, just thought I’d share them like everyone else.
 
Lab4Us said:
i think we’re (maybe just me) missing communication connections. Why is only Sig the one fighting “multiple” lawsuits concerning the P320 when many other manufacturers make similar weapons, even Sig with their non P320 strikers, and those guns aren’t getting involved in as many (if any) such lawsuits? And what would stop lawyers going after those other manufacturers if people were reporting uncommanded discharges concerning firearms besides P320s? Ambulance chasers are ambulance chasers, they don’t care about the target (other than how much money they can make).

I just find it hard to believe that only people that buy or use basic P320s engage in such large scale unsafe gun handling practices and since that would imply there should be just as many people improperly handling non P320 guns, where are those lawsuits for the other manufacturers? Or where are even reports of uncommanded discharges from competitors to the scale of the P320?

And for the record, I didn’t insinuate they shoot themselves. I provided my theory on why the uncommanded discharges might be happening. Don’t claim I’m correct, but certainly claim it’s a possibility, especially given the P320s fully cocked striker when loaded footprint. Certainly more likely (I believe) to fire from bumps and bangs and never being reset before an event than a partially cocked striker model might be.

I’ll admit I’m not a believer in 100% absolutes, 100% of the time. Such as a “Sig P320 could not possibly ever be involved in an uncommanded discharge”. I would not believe that about any gun, even ones advertised as drop safe.

I’m not looking for anyone to agree with my thoughts, just thought I’d share them like everyone else.
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Well, it was all started by female cops carrying them in their purses. Obviously not wanting to look stupid, they blamed the guns. The departments, not wanting the heat associated with having stupid cops, sued Sig. If it was Marissa from Festus Missouri, no one gives a crap, no lawsuits, we’d have never heard a thing about it.

One thing is certain. Those Sigs do not fire without human interaction with the trigger. It’s not a gun problem. It’s a people problem.
 
Talyn said:
The same incidents/coments/controveries came up when the Glocks arrived.

Any striker-fired Glock0type trigger system needs to be protected against anything snagging on/going into the trigger guard/trigger area.


And ambulance-chasing lawyers will dive into any controversy to make $$.
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From this article posted, You can see the trigger in this holster set up with the large gap.
Which leads me to believe a foreign object has access to it as well
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I'm originally from NW Indiana and lived not too far from Tim Harmsen, a good guy who's highly knowledgeable. So for me, THIS HERE is the end of the debate.
Sig Breaks Silence - The P320 Interview
Military Arms Channel
 
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