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Silencer Saturday #444: So What Happens Next With The Big NFA Lawsuit?

Talyn

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Way back in Silencer Saturday #391, we covered the Silencer Shop v. ATF lawsuit in its initial stages.


The crux of that case was that the National Firearms Act was only a valid law because the federal government can charge taxes. The Big Beautiful Bill dropped the amount charged for most tax stamps down to $0. This lawsuit asked the semi-metaphysical question of whether a tax is a tax when it collects no money. Another similar case, Jensen v. ATF, was filed at almost the same time in the same district. That case was ultimately combined with the Silencer Shop case in the interest of efficiency.

Social media and the gun news ecosystem went crazy on August 5th when the judge ruled on these cases. The decision struck down the NFA, at least in most ways, but how exactly it will apply was initially lost in the upswell of excitement. This is a huge win for gun lovers, to be sure. But it is not nearly as cut and dry as many people thought at first glance.

To understand why this is so messy, we have to understand another Supreme Court case. In Trump v. CASA, SCOTUS held (in a 6-3 vote) that federal district and circuit courts (the trial and initial appeal levels) cannot issue orders with nationwide effect. There is an old joke among lawyers that goes “What is the difference between God and a US District Court judge? God knows he is not a US District Court judge.” Before the CASA decision, it was not uncommon for a federal district court judge to hear a case where one person or group disagreed with a federal action, and to issue a nationwide ban on that federal conduct as a result. The arguments for and against this practice are somewhat political, but eventually SCOTUS weighed in to stop it.

CASA is the reason this decision does not apply nationwide. It can’t. Even if the ATF appeals to the 5th Circuit, and that court agrees with the lower court, this decision would only apply to the parties rather than the entire 5th Circuit. The judge took the time to explain that his hands were tied, and that though it would lead to some odd outcomes, CASA is the controlling law and he must follow it.


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Way back in Silencer Saturday #391, we covered the Silencer Shop v. ATF lawsuit in its initial stages.


The crux of that case was that the National Firearms Act was only a valid law because the federal government can charge taxes. The Big Beautiful Bill dropped the amount charged for most tax stamps down to $0. This lawsuit asked the semi-metaphysical question of whether a tax is a tax when it collects no money. Another similar case, Jensen v. ATF, was filed at almost the same time in the same district. That case was ultimately combined with the Silencer Shop case in the interest of efficiency.

Social media and the gun news ecosystem went crazy on August 5th when the judge ruled on these cases. The decision struck down the NFA, at least in most ways, but how exactly it will apply was initially lost in the upswell of excitement. This is a huge win for gun lovers, to be sure. But it is not nearly as cut and dry as many people thought at first glance.

To understand why this is so messy, we have to understand another Supreme Court case. In Trump v. CASA, SCOTUS held (in a 6-3 vote) that federal district and circuit courts (the trial and initial appeal levels) cannot issue orders with nationwide effect. There is an old joke among lawyers that goes “What is the difference between God and a US District Court judge? God knows he is not a US District Court judge.” Before the CASA decision, it was not uncommon for a federal district court judge to hear a case where one person or group disagreed with a federal action, and to issue a nationwide ban on that federal conduct as a result. The arguments for and against this practice are somewhat political, but eventually SCOTUS weighed in to stop it.

CASA is the reason this decision does not apply nationwide. It can’t. Even if the ATF appeals to the 5th Circuit, and that court agrees with the lower court, this decision would only apply to the parties rather than the entire 5th Circuit. The judge took the time to explain that his hands were tied, and that though it would lead to some odd outcomes, CASA is the controlling law and he must follow it.


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BUT the NRA and the others can take this before the SCOTUS and argue on those grounds.
 
SCOTUS has done a pretty good job dodging 2A issues. The only sure fire way to force SCOTUS into action would be two circuit courts ruling differently on the same, or a very similar set of circumstances.

Now, with a tin foil hat on, I suggest the circuit courts collude to ensure this never happens relative to anything 2A related.

Moreover, SCOTUS is highly likely to simply push it back down to the lower court(s) for reevaluation.
 
SCOTUS has done a pretty good job dodging 2A issues. The only sure fire way to force SCOTUS into action would be two circuit courts ruling differently on the same, or a very similar set of circumstances.

Now, with a tin foil hat on, I suggest the circuit courts collude to ensure this never happens relative to anything 2A related.

Moreover, SCOTUS is highly likely to simply push it back down to the lower court(s) for reevaluation.
I don't see a leftist court siding with the 2nd Amendment just to keep this in effect.
 
From what little I’ve seen, it’s a preliminary injunction and therefore the order only applies to those parties in the suit.

Furthermore, I understand the Order as written addresses the party-plaintiff organization, so it’s unclear if the court meant to include those members of that organization.

It’s not unusual for court Orders to be unclear.
 
I’m still amazed they haven’t reinstated the tax-only at a MUCH higher fee to achieve the original effect-that’d be what $5k today?
 
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