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Smaller Guns for Defense?

Yep, there's always the Wyatt Erp wannabe.

A mass shooter is a different animal than some street punk wanting your money or car. Those shooters need to be taken out quickly. If you think you'd like to go through the rest of your life justifying your shooting some doped up kid, second guessing your actions, wonder if it was really necessary, by all means, just follow the law and blow a suspect away. Oh, and then wait until they tell you the perk's gun wasn't loaded, that will make your day. But, I say that assuming the defensive shooter is human, be assured, some aren't, some just can't wait for the chance and think of it as exciting, stirring their manly egos.
 
OK, here I go…

It is my OPINION that people who think they can only carry tiny guns aren’t trying very hard.
It doesn’t take much effort to carry at least a snub .38 or a compact single stack 9mm.

I’m a small guy and I can carry whatever I want.
But I have to WANT TO do it.

But I only wear jeans!
Me too. And I’ve carried up to 1911s and medium frame revolvers. N frame S&Ws in winter time.
Inside waistband allows this.

But I don’t like IWB!
Neither did I at first. Then I a) bought a good IWB holster, b) for a thin, flat, gun, and c) wore jeans a little big. Plus, d) I gave more than a few days’ effort to it.

But that only hides half the gun!
Wear your shirts untucked.

But I hate wearing my shirts untucked!
Me too. Until I got used to it. I had to make that choice to do it and get used to it.
There are plenty of “tuckable” holster that let you tuck your shirt in.

If I can carry a full-sized gun year-round, anybody can. Maybe you can’t dress exactly like you want, but what is more important to you?

And it takes even less work to carry a medium or compact, and/or single stack, or something that is still easy to shoot OK.

But you have to want to, and you might have to work at it.

If I said settling for a tiny gun is due to laziness it might hurt some feelings, so I’ll just not say that.
 
BarryinIN said:
If I said settling for a tiny gun is due to laziness it might hurt some feelings, so I’ll just not say that.
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Don't hurt my feelings (ya got to work harder than that ;)) I freely admit to being lazy. I've been carrying for 40 years, I just ain't hauling all that crap around anymore. If I chose a tine gun it doesn't make me wrong. Then I don't consider a J frame a tiny gun so guess I don't carry a tiny gun except when I am lazy or need ultra discreet.
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BarryinIN said:
OK, here I go…

It is my OPINION that people who think they can only carry tiny guns aren’t trying very hard.
It doesn’t take much effort to carry at least a snub .38 or a compact single stack 9mm.

I’m a small guy and I can carry whatever I want.
But I have to WANT TO do it.

But I only wear jeans!
Me too. And I’ve carried up to 1911s and medium frame revolvers. N frame S&Ws in winter time.
Inside waistband allows this.

But I don’t like IWB!
Neither did I at first. Then I a) bought a good IWB holster, b) for a thin, flat, gun, and c) wore jeans a little big. Plus, d) I gave more than a few days’ effort to it.

But that only hides half the gun!
Wear your shirts untucked.

But I hate wearing my shirts untucked!
Me too. Until I got used to it. I had to make that choice to do it and get used to it.
There are plenty of “tuckable” holster that let you tuck your shirt in.

If I can carry a full-sized gun year-round, anybody can. Maybe you can’t dress exactly like you want, but what is more important to you?

And it takes even less work to carry a medium or compact, and/or single stack, or something that is still easy to shoot OK.

But you have to want to, and you might have to work at it.

If I said settling for a tiny gun is due to laziness it might hurt some feelings, so I’ll just not say that.
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My take is any gun, even a small gun is better then no gun at all, to me size/caliber doesn’t matter, shot placement is what matters, to each there own, just my thoughts
 
BarryinIN said:
But I only wear jeans!
Me too. And I’ve carried up to 1911s and medium frame revolvers. N frame S&Ws in winter time.
Inside waistband allows this.

But I don’t like IWB!
Neither did I at first. Then I a) bought a good IWB holster, b) for a thin, flat, gun, and c) wore jeans a little big. Plus, d) I gave more than a few days’ effort to it.

But that only hides half the gun!
Wear your shirts untucked.

But I hate wearing my shirts untucked!
Me too. Until I got used to it. I had to make that choice to do it and get used to it.
There are plenty of “tuckable” holster that let you tuck your shirt in.
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^^^^ ALL of THIS ^^^^

IWB does, indeed, hide half the gun. And that is half the battle in concealed carry.

Comfort? One needs pants with at least two sizes larger waistband. No, they won't stay up if you DON'T have your IWB holster in place UNLESS your belt has a couple extra notches you can take up. Maybe consider owning your "fit" size for when you're not carrying IWB, and the "extra" size when you ARE carrying IWB. And some of us (I'm looking in the mirror here) need to "get real" about what our REAL waist size actually is.

Shirt tail out? Yes, if that will "blend" in with what others are wearing while you are out-and-about, do that. It's easy, and for those of us who live in places where "hot" is the order of the day for way over half the year, it is a very comfortable way to wear a T-shirt (be certain to get a t-shirt with enough length to hang down below your waistline, even if your arms are raised above shoulder height). I like to wear a T-shirt as an undershirt and then wear a casual button up shirt as my outer garment. Depending upon the situation (again, think, "does this blend in with what others are wearing?"), I sometimes wear my outdoorsman style button up shirts unbuttoned over a t-shirt. If going into a store where a bit more concealment is needed, I take a moment to button up.

Shirt tail in? Yes. It can be done. There are the "tuckable" IWB holsters that allow shirt tail in. Just be aware that if the belt "clip" is outside the belt, others who are "aware" can easily spot it. The only times that I've been "made" and anyone mentioned it were with that type of holster when I had my shirt tucked in. For better concealment with a tuckable style IWB holster, use a stiff enough clip that it will work when just hooked to the waistband only and use a belt to camouflage the clip. The clip is still visible to careful observers, but nowhere near as obvious as when the clip is over the belt. Another tip: rather than tucking in your shirt tail as snug as possible, pull it out just enough to provide a neat little "ruffle" around your waistband. For those like me, with a "tactical donut", you might have to be certain that your "tuck in" shirt tail is a bit longer than you'd normally choose in order to have enough extra "tail" to form the "ruffle".

AND, I have a nuclear option. It probably won't work for you skinny guys, but for those of us who are packing a bit of extra weight, this really, really works well: Wear a pair of cutoff jean shorts UNDER your pants. Carry your gun in an OWB holster on a belt threaded through the jean shorts. THEN put on your pants OVER the jean shorts. You'll have to have pants with an even larger waistband to encircle the whole mess, and the appearance is too bulky for skinny guys to pull off. But, hey, you skinny guys can comfortably carry appendix and I cannot. So, there. Fair's fair. What about going to the restroom? LOL. It might sound a bit "kinky", but I cut out the crotch of the jean shorts and put a little "Stop Fray" on the edges to keep my scissor work from causing the material to unravel. As an old man, getting to the urinal "in time" is important to me, and this "trick" keeps the inner jean shorts from slowing me down... :D This manner of carry provides total concealment of even a full size handgun, it eliminates any hint of belt clips, and is as accessible as wearing an IWB holster. The jean shorts with a belt threaded through its loops keep the gun/holster stable and right where you put it.
 
I can easily carry my Shield X with optic and light in an Enigma literally 24/7. It's comfortable enough to sleep with if I really wanted to. The flat wedge from phlster and a hogue grip on the shield x are also key comfort components. But once the Enigma is strapped on and the front clip attached to my pants, it literally disappears on my waist and that's 15rds of 9mm with all the attachments. If you have problems carrying a gun, especially a handgun, it's a holster technology problem you have. Every gun deserves a quality holster. You should be able to stand up, sit down, lay down, run and jump with your gun secured and if you can't, then you need to invest more time into figuring it out.

I went through a multiple roll over car crash and my gun stayed on my waist as it should, it didn't become a loose missile in the cabin of my vehicle. Or you get tackled, you don't want your pockets emptying like a ****ing cartoon. You have to think about those kinds of scenarios.

I've got a fanny pack I keep my wallet and 3 extra 15 round mags in. All of which are locked in a standard position so I can draw them without looking and only pulling one zipper. All of which neatly tuck under a T-shirt without printing anything alarming.
 
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After I retired, i carried an NAA in .32naa caliber for years and felt confident it could do the job. The bottleneck round round has impressive ballistics. These days in this screwed up country and world, the smallest pistol I carry is a DW ECP with a spare magazine, iwb in winter and summer. I have no trouble concealing it with the right holster, which in my case is a 10 year old Kusiak (bought used when their customer service went to crap). It's as thin as kydex and has molded perfectly in my preferred position just forward of the hip. SInce I've lost 20# it's even more comfortable.
 
There are times for mini/micro guns, like Tuxedo events; but Im NOT a fan of them for general use. Short of a fitted Tux a duty size gun (think Glock 19) can still be carried and easily concealed, unless youre wearing spandex and skinny jeans.

A G19 size gun is is just a better option when you NEED a gun. Sure I guess you can press a micro gun to work; but at what range and against how many targets? The days of the lone mugger are long over.
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Does it? The best I can say yes but only when you can call ahead and schedule the lone mugger. When your crime is more of a Chef's Special, your mouse gun is likely to be insufficient
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But how would being unarmed be better than a mouse gun? Fail to see the logic there. Regardless of number of thuggies involved having a P32 actually WITH me when attacked would trump a whole safe full back home at that particular moment. Thug is not likely to wait for you to go to your truck or back home to get that Acme blaster that’ll stop attackers in an instant. First rule of gun fighting is to HAVE a gun…
 
Ruger LCP max in my front right pocket. In the past year I can count on one hand how many times I’ve carried it. 12 rds of 380 is better than harsh words or a sharp stick. 90% of the time it a 9mm appendix carry. But some times it a 1911 in 10mm and I have been known to carry a 44mag from time to time.
 
Shibadog said:
But how would being unarmed be better than a mouse gun? Fail to see the logic there. Regardless of number of thuggies involved having a P32 actually WITH me when attacked would trump a whole safe full back home at that particular moment. Thug is not likely to wait for you to go to your truck or back home to get that Acme blaster that’ll stop attackers in an instant. First rule of gun fighting is to HAVE a gun…
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It's not. No one ever gets to say "wait, let me go grab my gun". It's why I stress you should always carry 24/7 and having a proper holster.
 
Shibadog said:
But how would being unarmed be better than a mouse gun? Fail to see the logic there. Regardless of number of thuggies involved having a P32 actually WITH me when attacked would trump a whole safe full back home at that particular moment. Thug is not likely to wait for you to go to your truck or back home to get that Acme blaster that’ll stop attackers in an instant. First rule of gun fighting is to HAVE a gun…
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NO one, especially NOT me, ever said unarmed. Im shaking my head try to figure how you got that??? What I said was the mouse gun only has limited usefulness, and inferring that perhaps you might consider a better option for general use if you are serious about carrying a weapon for self defense.

Yes there are times when a tiny gun is appropriate but, I think not for general use.

As always you should do what you think is best
 
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