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Something very important to keep in mind about Browning Hi-Powers...SA-35 etc.

Talyn

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Hi Power Recoil Spring Guide​

A relatively common mistake when reassembling the Hi Power pistol appears to be accidentally replacing the recoil spring guide upside down. It can appear to be in place and the pistol can actually be reassembled with it incorrectly installed.

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This view from the bottom shows the recoil spring guide as it should be. Note that the flat side of the recoil spring guide facing away from the barrel.

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This side view shows the same correct installation.​

A Hi Power with the recoil spring upside down can be very difficult to field-strip in some examples but the slide stop lever will never have downward spring-loaded tension, which it would have were the recoil spring guide correctly installed. In other words, the slide stop lever will just loosely wiggle up and down. In a Hi Power with the recoil spring guide properly in place, you can lift the slide stop lever and will feel a small amount of spring tension in the downward direction while doing so. When you release the lever, it will snap downward. If the recoil spring guide is upside down, it may fall down or stay as is…though a slight touch will almost always cause it to fall.

If a Hi Power is shot with the recoil spring guide upside down, the usual result is to break the guide. The ring on the recoil spring guide that surrounds the slide stop lever shaft almost always cracks and after as few as but a single shot. What happens then is that the slide stop lever engages with rounds still in the magazine and in some cases, just falls out of the pistol.

Here is just the guide and barrel. The recoil spring guide is upside down. This is the WRONG way to have it when reassembling the gun.

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This is CORRECT.

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Recusant said:
I'm big into using today's technology. I take pictures as I break my new guns down for the first time. Looking at a picture to figure out how it goes back together is less humiliating than having to call customer service for help. :)
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I've found that there is a video for any gun you can think of that shows or explains assembly and disassembly.

For example. I got a buddy whom I have referenced here before many times. I've worked on ( and eventually sold) a couple Taurus semi auto pistols of his. I've bought a few guns from him. Fixed his AR-4 when we went to the range and he got some Wolf stuck in the chamber and broke his extractor spring. This guy was an armorer in the Marine Corps and for some reason all the guns he buys are low rent pieces of crap. And for some reason even though HE was an armorer he brings his :poop: to me to work on. As do a lot of my friends. Anyway, he decides he wants a little 20 gauge break action shotgun for HD so he buys a Stoeger Coach Gun. I've never even seen a picture of one before. So he gets it home and breaks it down to clean it and he can't get it back together. Turns out he pulled both triggers while it was disassembled and didn't know the triggers needed to be reset before you could put it back together. So we're in my shop and he hands me the 3 pieces and before I even start I tell him, " When in doubt, watch the video" and pulled one up on YT. Sure enough you have to force the hammers ( cheap little pieces of crap by the way) back in by pushing them in at an angle against a block of wood, one at a time. Then the gun can be put back together. It's a decent looking shotgun. SS barrels, decent wood stock. Made in Brazil not Turkey. Still a pile if you ask me.

Anyway I used to have a folder of PDFs and other info on all the stuff I owned and all the stuff I worked on. I mean I still have all those things downloaded, but there's no point. All you gotta do is Google ( Insert gun) assembly and disassembly and it will pop up.
 
Talyn said:
The spring holding the ball bearing can wear out so that assembly is a wear item that can cause malfunctions when it's worn out.
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i make it a habit of running a wet patch with Hoppes thru that guide rods end, then a dry one or 2, then i always put a drop of oil into that ball bearing, and watch it seep into the socket. just to make sure the bearing does not seize up in there.
 
Years ago one of my local shops always made it a point to disassemble and reassemble any guns that they sold to their customers before they took it home so they at least got a jist of taking it apart. Whether it was a first time buyer or seasoned gun owner but they did stop doing that and now if a customer asks they will gladly show them.
 
Talyn said:
Hi Power Recoil Spring Guide​

A relatively common mistake when reassembling the Hi Power pistol appears to be accidentally replacing the recoil spring guide upside down. It can appear to be in place and the pistol can actually be reassembled with it incorrectly installed.


This view from the bottom shows the recoil spring guide as it should be. Note that the flat side of the recoil spring guide facing away from the barrel.

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This side view shows the same correct installation.​

A Hi Power with the recoil spring upside down can be very difficult to field-strip in some examples but the slide stop lever will never have downward spring-loaded tension, which it would have were the recoil spring guide correctly installed. In other words, the slide stop lever will just loosely wiggle up and down. In a Hi Power with the recoil spring guide properly in place, you can lift the slide stop lever and will feel a small amount of spring tension in the downward direction while doing so. When you release the lever, it will snap downward. If the recoil spring guide is upside down, it may fall down or stay as is…though a slight touch will almost always cause it to fall.

If a Hi Power is shot with the recoil spring guide upside down, the usual result is to break the guide. The ring on the recoil spring guide that surrounds the slide stop lever shaft almost always cracks and after as few as but a single shot. What happens then is that the slide stop lever engages with rounds still in the magazine and in some cases, just falls out of the pistol.

Here is just the guide and barrel. The recoil spring guide is upside down. This is the WRONG way to have it when reassembling the gun.

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This is CORRECT.

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I must have installed it wrong. (Before reassembly I googled. It said "one way lines up and looks correct, the other way doesn't" So I tried both and I guess I choose the wrong way. Put it back together.


Now the slide won't rack completely (travel all the way back)
Which is necessary to remove the slide stop.
So now I can't field strip so I can flip the recoil spring to correct position.

I don't want to pay for a gunsmith.
So... Not sure what to do.

Any advice would be extremely appreciated
 
tayloralvidrez said:
I must have installed it wrong. (Before reassembly I googled. It said "one way lines up and looks correct, the other way doesn't" So I tried both and I guess I choose the wrong way. Put it back together.


Now the slide won't rack completely (travel all the way back)
Which is necessary to remove the slide stop.
So now I can't field strip so I can flip the recoil spring to correct position.

I don't want to pay for a gunsmith.
So... Not sure what to do.

Any advice would be extremely appreciated
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Best go to a gunsmith now.
 
tayloralvidrez said:
I said I'm not paying for gunsmith. This is my first gun. If I can't fix myself, I'm going to find a different hobby
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I gave you the advice that you requested.

Well then you should have bought something else since the BHP design (while a classic pistol) has several idiosyncracies, one of which is the point I made in the first post above.

Since you don't want to get it fixed you should trade it in (at a loss) for a Glock, which is pretty much "idiot-proof".

Or, if you actually have a SA-35, vs. an original or another BHP look-alike, then contact Springfield Armory customer service.
 
Talyn said:
I gave you the advice that you requested.

Well then you should have bought something else since the BHP design (while a classic pistol) has several idiosyncracies, one of which is the point I made in the first post above.

Since you don't want to get it fixed you should trade it in (at a loss) for a Glock, which is pretty much "idiot-proof".

Or, if you actually have a SA-35, vs. an original or another BHP look-alike, then contact Springfield Armory customer service.
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When I needed my engine rebuild I took an engine class at my community college.
Learned, and did it myself. When I sold the car it was still running like a top after 6 or 8 years and a dozen or 2 20lbs bottles of nitrous
Guns are new to me. But the gunsmith is just some dude who, at one point, knew just as much as I do. Thank you though for your advice

If anyone has any suggestions, a YouTube video or a book recommendation or ECT ECT. Would be greatly appreciated.
 
Hi,

Welcome to the forum!

tayloralvidrez said:
When I needed my engine rebuild I took an engine class at my community college.
Learned, and did it myself. When I sold the car it was still running like a top after 6 or 8 years and a dozen or 2 20lbs bottles of nitrous
Guns are new to me. But the gunsmith is just some dude who, at one point, knew just as much as I do. Thank you though for your advice

If anyone has any suggestions, a YouTube video or a book recommendation or ECT ECT. Would be greatly appreciated.
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This is one option:

Certificate in Firearms Technology – Gunsmithing - Sonoran Desert Institute

sdi.edu sdi.edu

You can also try searching on YouTube. I've found some very helpful stuff there. When I get to my computer I'll see what I can find for you.

One time I incorrectly reassembled my XD9, my first gun, and found a way to fix it. It involved a big rubber mallet but that XD9 is alive and well and still in my carry rotation. ;)


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Hi,

tayloralvidrez said:
I must have installed it wrong. (Before reassembly I googled. It said "one way lines up and looks correct, the other way doesn't" So I tried both and I guess I choose the wrong way. Put it back together.


Now the slide won't rack completely (travel all the way back)
Which is necessary to remove the slide stop.
So now I can't field strip so I can flip the recoil spring to correct position.

I don't want to pay for a gunsmith.
So... Not sure what to do.

Any advice would be extremely appreciated
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Here are a few disassembly videos. Maybe one of them will help you.



Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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