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Talyn

Talyn

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As someone that did 20 years inside a high security federal penitentiary (working that is) and as a LT the inmate is full of BS and the judge just as much.

BOP policy
If an inmate became disruptive or tried to self mutilate themselves the Operations LT could put them in 4 point restraints or ambulatory (ambulatory restraints were basically a set of trip iron).

With self mutilators we normally 4 pointed them as woth ambulatory they can still run their head into the cell wall (and a lot did)

As far as the claim of 5 point thwre was never really a 5 point but we would sometimes put a helmet on if they were a head banger.
MWD had to get authorization for continuance from the Warden for longer tjan 2 hours and they were checked every 15 min by staff 2 hours by a LT and 4 hours by medical and documentation was out the ying yang

Suicide watch was everyday either staff or inmate
Mentors were out on them watching 24/7

Shame on that judge
 
While moving and I/M in four points from one high security housing to a higher security housing the I/M stated, "I'm getting tired of this place." I literally was stopped dead in my tracks. Then responded "That's the whole bleeping point. This ain't a four-star resort"
:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: "judge".
 
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We should be there in court next time with the popcorn machine in the hallway.....
 
Theres always been a fine line between the law and politics. In this case, I may be able to understand his objection to solidary confinement, access to legal documents, and the ability to speak with family BUT there seems no reason for the judge to politicalize the decisions with stories of January sixers. THAT seems to have crossed the line
 
This judge is only looking at the side of the criminals rights, which is what most liberals do.
He does not take into consideration the victims.
How about the SS agent that got shot in the chest by this assailant? what about his rights to have a perp behind bars for a long time. Attempted murder on him. His family almost lost a loved one.
Liberals dont want to talk about those facts. Just the feel good of the criminals.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
what about his rights to have a perp behind bars for a long time. Attempted murder on him
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While I want to agree with you, in this case the judge isnt deciding his guilt or innocence or even how long his sentence should be. In THIS case the judge is only deciding his pre trial confinement conditions.

Frankly Im not sure why he wasnt shot on the scene, and then we woulnt be talking about this; but I wasnt there and the guys on the ground decided to tackle and arrest him instead of a couple head shots. I wont monday morning their decision

Since he supposedly made suicidal statements then he gets put on suicide watch in a room where he cant hurt himself at least until a psych eval can determine otherwise. THAT much seems right. IF hes NOT suicidal then that goes a long way to block any crazy claim at trial.

Its a process

24/7 solitary confinement IS a punishment and pre trial confinement isnt the place for punishment. Now I do understand his lawyers playing legal games, thats their job and the government's job is to counter that with SOPs and reasons why he needs to be held in suicide watch conditions. The issue here is the judges statements which seem to have gone past a legal decision into politics
 
PieterCoetzee said:
While I want to agree with you, in this case the judge isnt deciding his guilt or innocence or even how long his sentence should be. In THIS case the judge is only deciding his pre trial confinement conditions.

Frankly Im not sure why he wasnt shot on the scene, and then we woulnt be talking about this; but I wasnt there and the guys on the ground decided to tackle and arrest him instead of a couple head shots. I wont monday morning their decision

Since he supposedly made suicidal statements then he gets put on suicide watch in a room where he cant hurt himself at least until a psych eval can determine otherwise. THAT much seems right. IF hes NOT suicidal then that goes a long way to block any crazy claim at trial.

Its a process

24/7 solitary confinement IS a punishment and pre trial confinement isnt the place for punishment. Now I do understand his lawyers playing legal games, thats their job and the government's job is to counter that with SOPs and reasons why he needs to be held in suicide watch conditions. The issue here is the judges statements which seem to have gone past a legal decision into politics
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There is no such thjng as Solitary confinement Single cell yes Solitary no. The last inmate in Solitary confinement within the Federal Bureau of Prisons was Thomas Silverstein Silverstein at USP Leavenworth until they moved him to ADX Florence in 2005 whem Leavenworth was downgraded to a medium FCI.

The difference between Singe cell is they can still communicate with other inmates and have interaction with staff at least every 30 minutes (more during days and most evenings as staff are back and forth running rec, legal, law library Laundry etc)

And the 30 minutes is policy but was can find cases where gaht didn’t happen (Epstein and no he wasn’t murdered but it’s a great story so whatever)

Solitary they had zero interaction
Silverstein killed an officer at USP Marion in 1983!was transfered around was let out of his cell by the Cuban inmates responsible for the USP Atlanta riot in 1987 but they quickly hogtied him and turned him over to authorities because he was that dangerous.

Restraints are not for punishment but to control inmates from disruptive (wether self harm or assaulting or destroying property)

There can also be times we have had to conduct involuntary feeding or medication on inmates which is all choreographed and videoed and documented with approval going all the way through the Warden and Regional Director with Health Services and Phycology involved.

So it’s not like line staff just decided to run theor own program.
 
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