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The Distance Issue

Talyn

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Related to a previous discussion...

People on social media seem to have concerns as to the “maximum effective range” of a particular type of defense handgun.
“Maximum effective range” has a meaning outside the gun shop and is well explained in a US Army Reserve video by CW2 Knote, thus: it’s the distance at which “… the average trained soldier is expected to be able to produce hits on a man-sized target 50% of the time.” (As opposed to “maximum range,” which is the longest distance at which the projectile still has lethal propensities.)

The more general definition is by the United States Department of Defense: “The maximum distance at which a weapon may be expected to be accurate and achieve the desired effect.” (Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. US Department of Defense 2005.)

As to whether someone at a particular distance can present an imminent deadly threat, that’s a matter for the trier(s) of the fact (the jury, unless a bench trial.) As to “it all happens close,” consider that the opposition has a vote; it’s the offender who determines when and from where the situation will turn deadly.

There are cases where those distances are long.


There are some factors in assessing ‘effective range’ issues. The first is the ability to visually identify an immediately lethal threat that requires shooting. If you can’t see well enough to positively identify the threat, the ‘max effective range’ issue of the firearm in question is the least of your problems. If it’s truly a self-defense issue and not a “looking for trouble” issue, you’ll move away or get behind something (Time = distance + obstacles: Dennis Tueller).


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i only concern myself with my state's carry permit qualification distance of 25 yards (75 feet) to pass my carry permit test.

once i achieve the highest score for me, i am satisfied as the licensing requirements. (lowest possible passing score here is 195, highest is 300) i been both times now for qualification between 225 to 252)

after that, i generally practice at the 7 to 8 yards (FBI stats for when many or most attacks happen at or with-in 20 feet)

as long as my carry gun(s) can accomplish hitting the target in the incapacitate zone, i will take that as a job well done, for my self defense.

the other times, i do get annoyed, when i have a bad day and cannot get a good grouping, with ANY GUN(s) i take for a day of practice and fun at the range.

i do believe that age, makes a difference in distance shooting.
 
Hi,

Bad guy 50+ yards away with a handgun? There would be a lot of variables but my first instinct would be to duck and cover, vacate the premises as soon as prudent. I've practiced at 50 yards with better than 50% accuracy (8/10 in one session) but I really wouldn't want to try a gun battle at that distance.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
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When I repeatedly hit my 18x24 Silhouette plate with a pistol it is entertainment and (possibly money) if I hit it the most out of 10. Yet, I also think, probably wouldn't phase a Big ol Bear but a smaller mammal might wince and go away
 
It is likely that if a cadre of shooters start engaging you at 100 yards it is an ambush..Duck roll and cover to the best of your ability, they can't hit what they can't see (or their projectiles can't penetrate).
well, that's the thing about self defensive shooting, at least here in my state.

up close, and the attacker IS coming at you, that will in many instances be considered "self defensive shooting"

but at 25 yards, 50 yards, 100 yards..??

you got time to run or duck and cover, otherwise here in my state, that might be considered as murder charges, as i'd have had time, even at my age and health conditions, to have run away....at least, this was told to the self defensive class i had gone to, before i could apply for my ccw.

i am sure that there are circumstances for other possibilities to happen, to make some people do differently.
 
Years ago, I could topple 150 yard turkeys and 200 yard rams with fair regularity BUT for hunting with the same revolver I kept my shoots at 50 yards or maybe just a tiny bit more. Of course that's hunting and another whole kettle of fish. If forced to shoot in a defensive situation, (and that the only way I shooting is to be forced) too far away is going to be the least of my worries. If nothing else I'll keep the sobs head down while I una** the A.O.
 
well, that's the thing about self defensive shooting, at least here in my state.

up close, and the attacker IS coming at you, that will in many instances be considered "self defensive shooting"

but at 25 yards, 50 yards, 100 yards..??

you got time to run or duck and cover, otherwise here in my state, that might be considered as murder charges, as i'd have had time, even at my age and health conditions, to have run away....at least, this was told to the self defensive class i had gone to, before i could apply for my ccw.

i am sure that there are circumstances for other possibilities to happen, to make some people do differently.
The only place I would be running to is better cover before I fire them up.
 
Being able to hit distance with a pistol improves ones chances even when in close. Same for rifle.
Its a skillset that allows for one to be knowledgable and proficient they can do it.
Would I regulary take 100 yard shots.. Nope.
Can I do it? Yep
 
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