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I am posting this thread to try to get some insight from fellow firearm enthusiasts. That said, please leave the toxicity and unprofessionalism to places like Reddit r/guns and r/firearms.
Anyways, I sent this to SDS Arms about the Tokarev TBP-12. When you go to TokarevUSA's website, the support link takes you to SDS Arms page for information and warranty.
In late October 2024, I bought my Tokarev TBP-12. I purchased it brand new in the Tokarev cardboard box, so never been fired. I took it to the range in early November just to put a couple rounds through it. With no round in chamber, I loaded the factory 5 round magazine. First round fired off fine, but the second round was a failure to feed. I unloaded the shotgun, reloaded the magazine back to 5 rounds, reinserted the magazine, and tried again. This time, I got two rounds off before the third ended in a failure to feed. I repeated the unloading and loading process again and was finally able to get off all 5 rounds without hiccups. I shot somewhere around 15 rounds total from the shotgun that trip and brought it home to clean and put in my safe. Upon cleaning, I had read that occasionally the barrel locking nut can be torqued too tightly from the factory. I figured it wouldn't be a problem since Tokarev sends a spanner wrench from the factory for this purpose. However, when I started the disassembly (great video by the way...on Tokarev's official youtube page really helped out), the barrel locking nut broke the tooth on the spanner wrench. Without a proper tool, I couldn't get it off, so I cleaned what I could and then I put it away. Fast forward to April 2025, I started looking to sell it to purchase the TAR-12 (the mag release was a little too far back to be able to keep the weapon trained on target and change mags unless you're a lefty). My dad (a lefty) offered to buy it for the cost of the TAR-12 and came into town to test it out. We took it back to the range and were only able to fire off 2 rounds total. Both were failures to extract. He told me once it's fixed, he'll still purchase it, but it's got me wondering if there's something more serious going on with the shotgun. I'm averaging 1 malfunction every 4 shots, and I don't really want to take it back to the range just for another subpar performance. That said, I have a few questions.
1) The ammo I used was Sellier & Ballot SB12BSF 2-3/4" Buckshot 1214fps, from the same box both range trips. Is there an issue with the ammo type I'm using as far as velocity or size? I know ammo can lead to a lot of unwanted malfunctions.
2) Is there any way you all could send another spanner wrench since it broke on first use or tell me where I can buy one so I can full breakdown the shotgun to clean? I know there shouldn't be a huge issue with cleaning at this point considering only 18 rounds have been fired from the shotgun, but I'd still like the ability to clean the whole shotgun and not just the exterior components.
3) What are the odds the shotgun is just a lemon? I really do enjoy the shotgun. It looks great, and when it works, it feels great to shoot and is easy on the shoulder.
Thank you for your time. I really do want to like the performance of this "product", but at this point, it just looks nice in pictures and it's a nice "talking point".
Has anyone had any similar experiences with this gun? Any helpful thoughts or insight would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Anyways, I sent this to SDS Arms about the Tokarev TBP-12. When you go to TokarevUSA's website, the support link takes you to SDS Arms page for information and warranty.
In late October 2024, I bought my Tokarev TBP-12. I purchased it brand new in the Tokarev cardboard box, so never been fired. I took it to the range in early November just to put a couple rounds through it. With no round in chamber, I loaded the factory 5 round magazine. First round fired off fine, but the second round was a failure to feed. I unloaded the shotgun, reloaded the magazine back to 5 rounds, reinserted the magazine, and tried again. This time, I got two rounds off before the third ended in a failure to feed. I repeated the unloading and loading process again and was finally able to get off all 5 rounds without hiccups. I shot somewhere around 15 rounds total from the shotgun that trip and brought it home to clean and put in my safe. Upon cleaning, I had read that occasionally the barrel locking nut can be torqued too tightly from the factory. I figured it wouldn't be a problem since Tokarev sends a spanner wrench from the factory for this purpose. However, when I started the disassembly (great video by the way...on Tokarev's official youtube page really helped out), the barrel locking nut broke the tooth on the spanner wrench. Without a proper tool, I couldn't get it off, so I cleaned what I could and then I put it away. Fast forward to April 2025, I started looking to sell it to purchase the TAR-12 (the mag release was a little too far back to be able to keep the weapon trained on target and change mags unless you're a lefty). My dad (a lefty) offered to buy it for the cost of the TAR-12 and came into town to test it out. We took it back to the range and were only able to fire off 2 rounds total. Both were failures to extract. He told me once it's fixed, he'll still purchase it, but it's got me wondering if there's something more serious going on with the shotgun. I'm averaging 1 malfunction every 4 shots, and I don't really want to take it back to the range just for another subpar performance. That said, I have a few questions.
1) The ammo I used was Sellier & Ballot SB12BSF 2-3/4" Buckshot 1214fps, from the same box both range trips. Is there an issue with the ammo type I'm using as far as velocity or size? I know ammo can lead to a lot of unwanted malfunctions.
2) Is there any way you all could send another spanner wrench since it broke on first use or tell me where I can buy one so I can full breakdown the shotgun to clean? I know there shouldn't be a huge issue with cleaning at this point considering only 18 rounds have been fired from the shotgun, but I'd still like the ability to clean the whole shotgun and not just the exterior components.
3) What are the odds the shotgun is just a lemon? I really do enjoy the shotgun. It looks great, and when it works, it feels great to shoot and is easy on the shoulder.
Thank you for your time. I really do want to like the performance of this "product", but at this point, it just looks nice in pictures and it's a nice "talking point".
Has anyone had any similar experiences with this gun? Any helpful thoughts or insight would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
