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Was the Atomic Bombing of Japan Necessary?

This was indeed a turning point, within the whole realm of human history, that changed man and the world forevermore. Never again would man view himself or the endeavors of war the same.

Was it necessary? That is summed up in one sing paragraph...
"The death toll at Hiroshima was staggering. The city was destroyed, and estimates projected up to 160,000 deaths, most of them civilians. And still Japan did not surrender. The Nagasaki blast killed up to 80,000, again mostly civilians. Even so, some members of the Japanese Cabinet wanted to fight on. Mercifully, the Emperor gave his “sacred decision” on August 10th that Japan would accept the Allies’ surrender".

It is clear that in the Japanese cultural views, surrender was humiliating and a disgrace to which death was preferable. Had the US resorted to invasion of Japan the death toll of US troops would have been staggering and would have dragged on to the last man and woman.
 
After the war my dad was with the occupying forces and then my mom joined him there. They were there for about 3 1/2 years then he got transferred to Hawaii. I was born there in 1952 before he was transferred state side. Then in 1960 my mom died from pancreatic cancer at the age of 46, then a year later my dad died from colon cancer at the age of 53. But before he died he told his two brothers that he and my mom must of got something while in Japan
 
The Night Rider said:
And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise And knowledge to those who have. Daniel 2:21 NKJV.

The problem I have were talking about this stuff is when I start talking I talk too much.

So I'm going to keep it really brief. I believe that the Bible is Divinely inspired. When I say that I literally mean that I believe that God told the 40 people who actually wrote the 66 books what to write.

Based on the scripture quotation above I have to assume that God put Hirohito in power in Japan and more recently and more applicable to us I believe that God made Biden the President and he's going to make whoever replaces Trump the president and based on my understanding of scripture I think it's going to be a Democrat.

So I said all that to say that I believe that Mao and Stalin and the Ayatollah Khomeini and Putin were all ordained.

So before I go off the rails and start talking too much let me say that my main point is I believe that when God said "Let there be light." he knew we were going to drop the bomb on Japan. And he allowed it to happen. So I have to assume there's a reason for it.

This is the last thing that I'm going to say about this according to the Bible God sees us as immortal beings. Our physical death isn't the end of our existence.

We are immortal. Immortal means we had a beginning but no end. God is Eternal. Eternal means No beginning No end.
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God created us all, but free agency dictates our loyalties. You seem to minimize the influence of the devil. Satan raises up his own. Read revelation...
 
hawkeye52 said:
After the war my dad was with the occupying forces and then my mom joined him there. They were there for about 3 1/2 years then he got transferred to Hawaii. I was born there in 1952 before he was transferred state side. Then in 1960 my mom died from pancreatic cancer at the age of 46, then a year later my dad died from colon cancer at the age of 53. But before he died he told his two brothers that he and my mom must of got something while in Japan
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wow, very sad indeed. Your parents were taken from you far too soon.
 
Not a bleeding heart, and only indirectly was the attack on Pearl Harbor in my mind, reason to use the bombs in Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. The important thing to remember, was that the Japanese people are / were a proud people, who would have continued fighting as long as they had any capability. Suggesting that more American lives would be lost. The bombs signified an end to the war ... even if it took three or four bombs to do it.

In 1972 I toured Nagasaki, a huge industrial city, looking more like my home town in Phoenix ... than the devastated ruins shown in a lot of photos shown. It has rebuilt, with a lot of American dollars to help (and likely a lot of guilt on our part for the civilians lost). I have a photo of a 22 year old standing at the exact location, the bomb would have hit, were it a surface blast and not an above ground blast. And the respect for the Americans involved in the bombing, as well as for the Japanese citizens whose crimes were merely living in Japan was felt.

The 'bomb' was the answer to end the war ... and should never be used in my opinion to start one. Those touting use of the bomb against Iran, in my opinion are imbeciles ...
 
I lived in Hiroshima for 9 months in 1979, serving a church mission. I met several people who had been living on the outskirts and suburbs of the city in 1945 and survived the bomb. One lady showed me scorch marks on the gable of her house caused by the bomb. The saddest story I heard was from a woman who had sent her two young children to their school in the city on a train that morning and never saw them again. A few of the survivors I met still held animus toward Americans, however this woman who had lost her family was not bitter or angry. She was just very sad.
I agree that given Japan's fanatical leadership at the time, the bombs were probably the best way to end the war, but we should still acknowledge that this was a terrible thing that happened and do what we can to prevent it happening again.
 
The Night Rider said:
And He changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and raises up kings; He gives wisdom to the wise And knowledge to those who have. Daniel 2:21 NKJV.

The problem I have were talking about this stuff is when I start talking I talk too much.

So I'm going to keep it really brief. I believe that the Bible is Divinely inspired. When I say that I literally mean that I believe that God told the 40 people who actually wrote the 66 books what to write.

Based on the scripture quotation above I have to assume that God put Hirohito in power in Japan and more recently and more applicable to us I believe that God made Biden the President and he's going to make whoever replaces Trump the president and based on my understanding of scripture I think it's going to be a Democrat.

So I said all that to say that I believe that Mao and Stalin and the Ayatollah Khomeini and Putin were all ordained.

So before I go off the rails and start talking too much let me say that my main point is I believe that when God said "Let there be light." he knew we were going to drop the bomb on Japan. And he allowed it to happen. So I have to assume there's a reason for it.

This is the last thing that I'm going to say about this according to the Bible God sees us as immortal beings. Our physical death isn't the end of our existence.

We are immortal. Immortal means we had a beginning but no end. God is Eternal. Eternal means No beginning No end.
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Really briefly: The major flaws in your philosophy are that 1) it makes God responsible for evil and 2) it denies human agency and personal responsibility. This is moralistic determinism, which is not supported by scripture, logic, or lived experience.
 
The Night Rider said:
So I'm going to keep it really brief. I believe that the Bible is Divinely inspired. When I say that I literally mean that I believe that God told the 40 people who actually wrote the 66 books what to write.

Based on the scripture quotation above I have to assume that God put Hirohito in power in Japan and more recently and more applicable to us I believe that God made Biden the President and he's going to make whoever replaces Trump the president and based on my understanding of scripture I think it's going to be a Democrat.

So I said all that to say that I believe that Mao and Stalin and the Ayatollah Khomeini and Putin were all ordained.

So before I go off the rails and start talking too much let me say that my main point is I believe that when God said "Let there be light." he knew we were going to drop the bomb on Japan. And he allowed it to happen. So I have to assume there's a reason for it.

This is the last thing that I'm going to say about this according to the Bible God sees us as immortal beings. Our physical death isn't the end of our existence.

We are immortal. Immortal means we had a beginning but no end. God is Eternal. Eternal means No beginning No end.
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That was brief?
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Interesting how people can wring their hands and "moralize" about something 80 years in the past. Some of these same people would not be here except for the quick and certain end to WWII. Their ancestors would have been casualties suffered during the invasion of Japan.

Let me make sure I comprehend the argument. Decisions about the use of weaponry during a time of war need to be made based on what future generations may think about the use of said weapons?

Sorry, folks. We are in a war with a foe that attacked us first. Our entire society has been asked to sacrifice to win victory. We have a weapon that nobody else has that could lead to a quick conclusion of the conflict. Our people are war weary. Nuke 'em, Dano.
 
We have been lied to on a massive scale re. history. I have come to seriously doubt there were nukes dropped on Japan. Started reading this book:

Hiroshima Revisited: The evidence that napalm and mustard gas helped fake the nuclear bombings​

by Dr Michael Palmer (Author), Dr Franklin Stahl (Foreword)

And this today from a Substack, "Lies Are Unbecoming":

"I read Parker’s novel alongside Michael Palmer, MD’s Hiroshima Revisited, a 2020 work that makes a striking claim: the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki resulted not from nuclear detonations but from conventional firebombing combined with poison gas—specifically sulfur mustard—and napalm incendiaries. Palmer, a physician and biochemist, builds his case across several evidentiary domains: the physical destruction patterns, the medical symptoms in survivors, the burn characteristics, the anomalous distribution of “radiation sickness” in time and space, and the failure of physical measurements to substantiate the nuclear narrative."

My father flew P-38s for the Army Air Corps in the South Pacific. He accepted that nukes were real and dropped, but told me many years ago words to the effect that "everyone" knew that the Japanese were defeated and about to surrender. Even the Japanese knew they had no chance of victory. He felt they were totally unecessary and evil to be used on a civilian population.
 
Read that the B-29's used had British Lancaster bomb racks installed inside to handle the size of the bombs.
The Japanese General in charge of defending Okinawa had a goal to create a river of American blood so great that we would not invade the home islands.
Japan and Russia had a pact in place, but then the Russians attacked the Japanese in Northern Asia.
When it was known that the Emperor was going to surrender, there was an attempted coup that failed.
My father was at the age that when he finished his Army training he was put on trains with other troops and sent to California. He would have been part of the invasion of the main islands. He ended up in the occupation troops. He used to refer to camps down around Monterrey, CA, and Hunter-Liggett area, and would mention a Camp Roberts a lot. He was whom told me they were told that there would be one million casualties.
 
LynnW said:
We have been lied to on a massive scale re. history. I have come to seriously doubt there were nukes dropped on Japan. Started reading this book:

Hiroshima Revisited: The evidence that napalm and mustard gas helped fake the nuclear bombings​

by Dr Michael Palmer (Author), Dr Franklin Stahl (Foreword)

And this today from a Substack, "Lies Are Unbecoming":

"I read Parker’s novel alongside Michael Palmer, MD’s Hiroshima Revisited, a 2020 work that makes a striking claim: the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki resulted not from nuclear detonations but from conventional firebombing combined with poison gas—specifically sulfur mustard—and napalm incendiaries. Palmer, a physician and biochemist, builds his case across several evidentiary domains: the physical destruction patterns, the medical symptoms in survivors, the burn characteristics, the anomalous distribution of “radiation sickness” in time and space, and the failure of physical measurements to substantiate the nuclear narrative."

My father flew P-38s for the Army Air Corps in the South Pacific. He accepted that nukes were real and dropped, but told me many years ago words to the effect that "everyone" knew that the Japanese were defeated and about to surrender. Even the Japanese knew they had no chance of victory. He felt they were totally unecessary and evil to be used on a civilian population.
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I have read books that the holocaust never happened too... But I am sure it did. This falls under "conspiracy theory". There are enough first hand accounts from people who participated in developing, testing, building, delivering the bomb, as well as medical records from those who survived....
 
Superb article. The United States made the correct decision to use the atomic bombs. The world was spared potential years of continued war. Imagine the cost in American lives if we had opted instead for an amphibious invasion of Japan. Imagine the future struggle to defeat the millions of Japanese soldiers still in the field in Manchuria, Burma, SE Asia and on many islands across the Pacific.

In August, 1945, the Soviet Union began occupying islands in northern Japan. If instead of the quick Japanese capitulation due to the atom bombs, a long American ground campaign originating from southern Japan (as was an initial plan) would have given the Soviets ample time to conquer more territory, with great impact on post-war history.
 
at that point in time YES
it was not a decision taken lightly by president truman or so i read..
but in the end it saved many many more lives than would have been lost
not to mention all the ancillary items lost and prolonged war.

the bomb was not ready after pearl harbor or it may have been used then, but then that would have opened up a huge wormy can in Europe .
i doubt roosevelt would have used the atom bomb in the europe part of the war, he probably would not have dropped it on japan either.
and the last bomb used in japan had a much higher yield than the scientist predicted , that puppy in germany , would have wiped out much more than little ol germany

now days... we should do everything possible to NOT nuke an adversary unless its the last ditch we all die scenario imo
MOAB bombs do pretty good at getting the enemies attention .
i am biased, i was on a nuke load crew for many years, i would have loaded it without question..but it still gave me grave concern about wholly cow , we are at that point to let one fly. God help us.
 
There are precedents created by the Japanese. Read "The Rape of Nanking" by Iris Chang. The Japanese army spent nearly 3 months in Nanking, the Capitol City of Nationalist China. Their methods were mass rapes by the Japanese soldiers. Forced digging of trenches which were filled with living people who were in turn buried alive... then the next eschelon of Chinese would dig new trenches and the diggers would, in turn be buried alive. Not many bullets were wasted on killing... bayonets were cheaper as victims were disemboweled or slashed.
 
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