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What Are Your Training Scars?

I don't know if the story is true but I've heard it from a couple of reputable trainers.

Off duty cop standing in line in the convenience store I think California. A guy tries to rob the store in front of the off-duty cop and as he practiced hundreds of times in training the off-duty cop snatched the gun out of the robber's hand.

As the also practiced hundreds of times in training as soon as he took the gun away from the bad guy he handed it back to him. Supposedly the robber was shocked.

According to the story he disarmed the guy again but he got shot in the process.

The very first time I fought in a karate tournament. I had been trained, number one not to actually make hard contact with my sparring partner and number two always to stop after a point.

So my first tournament I hit the guy and I stopped and I even stepped forward to apologize for hitting him hard and got punched right in the face.
 
Not really scars, but WTF moments.
Leading your target.
Unless your range target has the ability to rotate, folks shooting usually dont practice leading the target thats moving .
Hunting helps solve this with animals like coyotes, or hogs, etc …
When I first started to engage hogs or moving targets at the range, I was off. Static shooting didnt take into acct movement.
I was WTF on rounds missing my aim point with a .45 on a hog. Well, muscle memory didnt take into acct movement. Fast movement.
That has since changed, but the first couple times, you scratch your head in disbelief.
 
When you train "muscle memory" you must be mindful of unintended results. I was a Taser instructor and one of the first to train weak side carry and weak hand deployment. I also trained before shift spark testing to verify readiness, not complete cycle but just a few crackles and turn it off to preserve battery life. There in was a mistake of muscle memory. The short spark test resulted in a shortened cycle during actual deployment, definitely not a good thing. Had to back up and retrain.
 
Now back to the original article concerning the troopers having spent cartridges in their pockets. Those stories were enough to effect our firearms training. Breaking in back in 1979 training and qualifying with a revolver we trained using our cartridge dumps or loops for our first 18 rounds of qualification then we used a carpenters nail bag to hold the remainder of the 60 rounds we used in equals. We were never allowed to have or put ammo or spents in our pockets.
 
Reports if those troopers at Newhall having empty brass in their pockets was myth. One if the things that grew out of that incident though was universal adoption of speedloaders for revolvers. Inspired by Newhall, I carried 4 speedloaders on my duty belt. Dump pouches were a disaster. Combat loading a shotgun was also a critical training need highlighted by Newhall.
 
BruceMc said:
We were not allowed speed loaders because you could not do a partial load with them. The capt in charge of firearms made the policy. We also carried 38 special ammo that the same capt loaded in his garage.
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Wow! My current range master used to much stricter... his motto was:
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Eventually he got investigated and demoted. Now he's more of a
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kind of guy. Still can be a diva and a gun snob.
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My scar wasn't from bad training it was from bad management. We had a chief investigator that came from the feds. He mandated 147gr rounds for all carrying 9mm. One morning at the range a guy was shooting some and you could see the bullet going down range, it was going so slowly. Shooting it at the center of a steel target gave a light "tink" sound when even light load 115gr ball was making a light 'clang' sound hitting the same spot. That day I switched over to my Colt Commander in .45 and have never fired another 147gr since.
 
FNFAN said:
My scar wasn't from bad training it was from bad management. We had a chief investigator that came from the feds. He mandated 147gr rounds for all carrying 9mm. One morning at the range a guy was shooting some and you could see the bullet going down range, it was going so slowly. Shooting it at the center of a steel target gave a light "tink" sound when even light load 115gr ball was making a light 'clang' sound hitting the same spot. That day I switched over to my Colt Commander in .45 and have never fired another 147gr since.
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147 grain subsonic 9mm was developed for use in suppressed SMG's. We used it in our MP5's and it solved a problem and worked very well.. We tried some of it in our handguns and it was pretty puny. I understand it worked pretty well in handguns when sped up to max velocity but I have no experience with it.
 
At 70 and with a bad back I wish I could find training I could afford, living on social security, and a small retirement fund. Also have COPD so about 40 feet is about all the slow movement I can do then have to stop to catch my breath, even with my O2 generator. Have to walk with a cane or better yet my "rollator" (4 wheeled walker). Makes all of my shots one handed which slows down my follow up shots. Still I carry my S&W Shield (in 40 cal) with 2 spare mags. It would be nice to find affordable ($100 or less) training designed for people like me. And in my area, can't afford to travel and live in hotels either. Could do a hour to hour and a half drive though. As far as any hand to hand stuff goes a 10 year old could beat me. Getting old is a *****, catches up to everyone sooner or later.
 
RJW said:
At 70 and with a bad back I wish I could find training I could afford, living on social security, and a small retirement fund. Also have COPD so about 40 feet is about all the slow movement I can do then have to stop to catch my breath, even with my O2 generator. Have to walk with a cane or better yet my "rollator" (4 wheeled walker). Makes all of my shots one handed which slows down my follow up shots. Still I carry my S&W Shield (in 40 cal) with 2 spare mags. It would be nice to find affordable ($100 or less) training designed for people like me. And in my area, can't afford to travel and live in hotels either. Could do a hour to hour and a half drive though. As far as any hand to hand stuff goes a 10 year old could beat me. Getting old is a *****, catches up to everyone sooner or later.
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Welcome. Where are you? NRA may have training near you that would meet your needs.
 
In 86 I lateralled from a small city department to one of the largest sheriff's offices in WA. There were quals every month and every deputy had to make 10 a year. I was always impressed by the little details the range masters included such as putting carpet at every station so that we got in the habit of just dropping our magazines at each mag change knowing they would not be damaged by hitting the ground. And I wore deerskin wrist length gloves every single time I dealt with a citizen, so I wore them when I qualified. I was SO lucky to work for the Snohomish County S.O. ALL of our training was so detailed and excellent.
 
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