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Yeh, it really is NASCAR!

It's sad Nascar is losing it's fan base.
I have a quality track in my backyard and it hasn't had a race in four years.
Just out of curiosity what track is this? Was it ever a NASCAR sanctioned track?

Sadly I've personally seen/watched several really good short tracks around my area go the way of being sold off to big developers. The land just becomes so much more valuable to sell than to support a sporting venue.

I know that's considered progress, but I hate it as bad as when outdoor drive-in theaters started being closed and sold off for development many years ago.
 
To each their own. I grew up with and I'm still a NASCAR fan and I rarely miss a televised race. Do I like the direction that NASCAR has gone. Mostly no although new race formats like the roval I approve of.
When I was stationed at Howard AFB in Panama we had a local squadron bar named the Pub and Grub and there was a core group of us used to meet their every Sunday for the race. Good friends, fun, beer, and racing. We were on a Panamanian cable company that supplied English speaking programming and would purchase a catalogue of programming and for whatever reason, they did not purchase the Daytona 500 for the '95 racing season.
From Panama, if you were on leave, you could catch a military hop (flight on a C-5) to Charleston, SC on a space A basis if there were open seats that went 3 times a week. A buddy and I decided that we would catch a hop to Charleston, go to a Sports Bar, watch the race and then fly back. A Captain in the unit heard about this and asked me if we were seriously going to fly to Charleston just the watch the race, when I assured him that we were, he asked if I'd like to actually go to the race? Well hell yeah! His father had season tickets for the family (Mom, Dad, and 3 kids that he had been buying every year since the '60s and his father had a few tickets for sale at cost. Bought for family member that could not attend (the Captains ticket was one of the tickets). We flew down, took a rental car to Daytona and found that these weren't just seats, they were premo seats. Higher is better at Daytona and when you have season tickets and seats behind you open you can upgrade as time goes by. The only seats where the whole track is visible are the air seats adjacent to the officials box at the top of the track at the start/finish line. These tickets are air seats, 2 rows from the top row. Don't get me wrong these were not cheap seats. Face value was $135 per ticket face value back in 1996. You had to go through 3 ticket checkpoints to get their. The normal checkpoint at the track entrance, a checkpoint to get to the 2nd tier seating, and then a 3rd checkpoint to the 3rd tier (air seating).
We kept the options on the ticket and I went twice more. I was a Dale Earnhardt fan and was in attendance when he finally won the Daytona 500.
The friend I was with went every year and after about the 5th year the guy actually sold him the option for the 2 he used every year. He has attended every year since...
 
Watching NASCAR on TV is about as exciting as watching golf. In person is entirely different. I watched the very last NASCAR race and Gateway International Speedway over in Illinois. Had a great time. Rented the headphones so I could hear the pit crew. Very loud. Kyle Bush lost so I was happy.
 
Just out of curiosity what track is this? Was it ever a NASCAR sanctioned track?

Sadly I've personally seen/watched several really good short tracks around my area go the way of being sold off to big developers. The land just becomes so much more valuable to sell than to support a sporting venue.

I know that's considered progress, but I hate it as bad as when outdoor drive-in theaters started being closed and sold off for development many years ago.
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Chicagoland Speedway Joliet, Illinois.

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Just out of curiosity what track is this? Was it ever a NASCAR sanctioned track?

Sadly I've personally seen/watched several really good short tracks around my area go the way of being sold off to big developers. The land just becomes so much more valuable to sell than to support a sporting venue.

I know that's considered progress, but I hate it as bad as when outdoor drive-in theaters started being closed and sold off for development many years ago.
Sadly our local dragstrip closed, they used covid-19 as an excuse.

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“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing (turning left) over and over again and expecting different results.”, AKA - the inevitable large crashes.

Lost interest when they gave the cars vasectomies, and the final straw was the woke "fake noose" incident.

Road racing; WEC/IMSA/F1 and European motorcycle (Isle of Mann TT, etc) is where it's at.

My .02
I was a rabid Nascar fan until that fake noose debacle. Especially when they doubled down and had the drivers push his car out to the starting grid. Done with them.
 
The fake rope debacle was ridiculous.
I grew up in a home that lost interest in NASCAR many years ago. My father swore like Bobby Boucher’s mama that Chevy was the devil.
As my old man would say, “They pi%# and whined so much that they couldn’t keep up with the Fords” and twisted NASCAR’s arm into restrictor plate racing.
….”Bill Elliot was 20 Country miles down and ran those candy arses down and won!”
I have been to a few races and it is a pretty cool experience. I am much like my old man and think they should let them build the cars , quit meddling with packages and dumb rules like counting lug nuts .
I don’t think todays drivers possess the toughness the old guys did back in the day. It Grinds my gears when I hear them on TV whining about how Talladega is too fast and they need to slow down! Geez! It’s a race quit being such a wussy. I’ll get off my soapbox.
 
The fake rope debacle was ridiculous.
I grew up in a home that lost interest in NASCAR many years ago. My father swore like Bobby Boucher’s mama that Chevy was the devil.
As my old man would say, “They pi%# and whined so much that they couldn’t keep up with the Fords” and twisted NASCAR’s arm into restrictor plate racing.
….”Bill Elliot was 20 Country miles down and ran those candy arses down and won!”
I have been to a few races and it is a pretty cool experience. I am much like my old man and think they should let them build the cars , quit meddling with packages and dumb rules like counting lug nuts .
I don’t think todays drivers possess the toughness the old guys did back in the day. It Grinds my gears when I hear them on TV whining about how Talladega is too fast and they need to slow down! Geez! It’s a race quit being such a wussy. I’ll get off my soapbox.
Lot a truth here. I've said for years, get back to shop built cars using factory sheet metal (no mods in shape other than safety), make a spec and claimer rule for all engines, then put it on a spec built chassis. Do away with all 'aero' except what comes out of Detroit and is factory standard, then go race.

I'd much rather see 35-40 cars all relatively equal all running at maybe 160-180mph on the super speedways than to see 6-8 cars up front running at 190-200, then a little ways back another group of maybe 10-12 cars all running at 180, then a lagging group all running together and struggling at 150-160, then last (usually a couple laps down) the 'also rans'. And these same groups being as predictable as clockwork every week.

To argue the best car or make of car is futile. Sometimes it seems the Fords are unbeatable, then the Chevy's, etc. At times the Mopars were king (remember the days of the Hemi?). When one manufacturer gains a little on another, that lagging manufacturer puts extra engineering and dollars on it until they catch up. The old addage of 'Win on Sunday/Sell on Monday' still exists today, just not quite as boldly as older days. Hell I remember a time when Rambler (American Motors) was up to par and playing the game.

The only way to positively maintain 'even-steven' racing is with a spec built chassis (no exceptions or leeway), claimer rule on engines, and factory sheet metal only (again, no leeway). The only variation in appearance is what comes out of Detroit and must be some reasonable number produced for the public market. Period !!!! No tolerance given, no leeway, only one set of templates to match the factory sheet metal.

Then let's go racing !!! We'll never see real racing again due to the commercialism. Racing has become way more big business than anything else. We started seeing the commercialism of NASCAR when Winston began sponsoring the entire series. Remember when it was the "Winston Cup'?

I'm all for individual car and team sponsors to help pay the bills, but any series sponsor should not have any input into any individual team or brand. I'd also like to see more brands involved ..... and as much as I hated to see Toyota get involved at the time, I recognized that it had to happen in order for NASCAR to survive. Import cars were becoming more and more accepted in American's daily lives, so it had to be. And that being the case, I'd like to see even more imports involved...... at the same time as more American models get involved.

Just this one man's experience and opinion!!!! (y) (y)(y)
 
☝️☝️☝️:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O:censored::censored::censored:☝️☝️☝️ With all due respect, I'm pretty sure 'he with the fattest pocket book wins'. Like every other form of racing, there's no real skill anymore ....... it boils down to computers and whoever can spend the most $$$$'s.

It's sad to all real racers !!!
 
☝️☝️☝️:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:o_Oo_Oo_Oo_O:censored::censored::censored:☝️☝️☝️ With all due respect, I'm pretty sure 'he with the fattest pocket book wins'. Like every other form of racing, there's no real skill anymore ....... it boils down to computers and whoever can spend the most $$$$'s.

It's sad to all real racers !!!
Let me say this, but it’s not meant to be a smartbutt response, agree with the money and computers today in racing, but you do need skill to get your car down the track in drag racing when in top fuel your going over 300+, just saying not the average guy could do this, even in the pro stock division.
 
Now, in NASCAR, I still will watch Daytona, Talladega, never did like the short track racing, super speedway for me evan though they use a restrictor plate, which I despise.
 
Let me say this, but it’s not meant to be a smartbutt response, agree with the money and computers today in racing, but you do need skill to get your car down the track in drag racing when in top fuel your going over 300+, just saying not the average guy could do this, even in the pro stock division.
No argument here Anni ..... some people can drive (control a car) better than others and there is a large amount of talent involved. In circle track racing it's called 'Car Control' and simply means one can feel through the 'seat of his pants' and his hands and feet what the car is about to do before it does it. But in any type of racing, a big pocket book can outrun any given driver on any given day. Generally speaking, it's only when all other things are equal does the driving talent play into it.

Just consider on the low end of competitions ...... say, motocross. The factory teams (big money) almost always beat up on the independents no matter how talented the independent rider is. I know, I know, every now and again an independent will sneak one in ...... but we all know just how rare that is ...... and even far more rare in bigger time/$$$ sports, not just racing.

Even in the small leagues I raced in back in the 70's, the guy who could spend the most money on his car, usually a young, single man with no or few responsibilities could buy the most speed, and that more often than not won races. Driving talent played only a very small role. One of the most accurate assertions I've ever heard relative to racing stock cars was said by IIRC 'Dave Marcus' (#71) back sometime in the 60's or 70's I think ............ "You can't make a slow car go fast"!!!!

Just sayin' !!!! (y)(y)(y)
 
And let me add:

NASCAR officially p(kitty)ied out back in the early ‘70’s when they banned Chrysler from running Hemis because the whining b(ea)ches at GM and Ford couldn’t beat it.

They’ve sucked (donkey) ever since.

Yeah. I said that.
 
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