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Woman used 9mm on Black Bear attacking her dog

USMC6094 said:
Some time back I read about guide up there that decided he'd carry a 9mm loaded with Underwood hard cast +P's, to see if it was viable as a defense against Grizzlies.

He got his wish, and the Underwood performed, took an entire magazine, fifteen rounds, if memory serves.

As I value my life, 9mm for that duty wouldn't have ever been in my thought process.
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Did the bear end up at the guides feet on the 15th round. Maybe he should have had 21 round mags instead. Honestly, hard to believe an Alaskan hunting guide would have chosen a 9mm for his side arm...it wouldn't have mattered which brand a bullet. Most guide up there are packing .458 Win Mag's first line of defense.
 
Phaser said:
Did the bear end up at the guides feet on the 15th round. Maybe he should have had 21 round mags instead. Honestly, hard to believe an Alaskan hunting guide would have chosen a 9mm for his side arm...it wouldn't have mattered which brand a bullet. Most guide up there are packing .458 Win Mag's first line of defense.
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If the story you are referring to is Phil Shoemaker’s run in, he had his guest fishing between outings, and wasn’t expecting trouble from any bears. He was armed, and yes, it just so happened to be a Third Gen S&W 9mm.

Phil is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to bears, bear behavior and hunting them. He knows his Kimchi.

I think - beyond the caliber debate - what his encounter demonstrates is cool, clear thinking and deliberate action are what gets your cahones out of a potential life or death jam.

You can search YouTube and find his interview on the incident.
Phil has been a guide in Alaska for decades.
I don’t recall him ever endorsing the 9mm as potent anti-bear defense.
 
I didnt see it in the article; but maybe just maybe she shot the bear in the head... Now Im just guessing a bear changes its attitude pretty quick when you shoot it in the head and the cartridge becomes less relevant once you start scrambling the brain.
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So sure we can debate cartridges and weapons platforms (thats fun) but maybe we ought to consider the effects of the impact location....and just to add a little Saturday morning fun maybe she could have shot the bear in the pelvis, cuz surely that would have stopped him??? (Disregard if you dont understand the sarcasm)
 
PieterCoetzee said:
I didnt see it in the article; but maybe just maybe she shot the bear in the head... Now Im just guessing a bear changes its attitude pretty quick when you shoot it in the head and the cartridge becomes less relevant once you start scrambling the brain.
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So sure we can debate cartridges and weapons platforms (thats fun) but maybe we ought to consider the effects of the impact location....and just to add a little Saturday morning fun maybe she could have shot the bear in the pelvis, cuz surely that would have stopped him??? (Disregard if you dont understand the sarcasm)
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Black bears are strange 98% of the time you see one they just ignore people but the 2% of the time attack is usually when they have cubs or they are starving. I have a friend who was the head Game Warden for this area and he only had a bear problem one time in 20 years. A lot of people who want to unalive themselves go out in the woods to do that. And a guy did just that and when they found him 2 black bears were have lunch. They had to shoot both bears to get the body back.
 
Condition1 said:
There was a woman in Alaska or Canada that killed a record size grizzly bear with a single shot 22. If I had to shot a huge grizzly with a 22lr and it killed the beast I would have to take a shower and change my underwear because I would have 💩 myself.
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Alaskan Native American, .22 in the ear. It was all she had. It worked but I dunno anybody who’d think it was an optimal choice. Frankly I’d never go in big bear country with anything small than a .41 Mag or 10 and would greatly prefer a .44/.454.
 
Shibadog said:
Alaskan Native American, .22 in the ear. It was all she had. It worked but I dunno anybody who’d think it was an optimal choice. Frankly I’d never go in big bear country with anything small than a .41 Mag or 10 and would greatly prefer a .44/.454.
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I’m going with a rifle lol in grizzly country. If I remember right that is the only firearm they own. But it was better than a sharp stick or harsh words.
 
Condition1 said:
I’m going with a rifle lol in grizzly country. If I remember right that is the only firearm they own. But it was better than a sharp stick or harsh words.
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Leave the scope @ home. Because when a bear is charging the last thing you want is seeing nothing but hair when and if you have time to even coming close to getting a round off. This pertains mainly with the guides rifle...as they are your skilled back-up.
That has been my experience.
 
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PieterCoetzee said:
I didnt see it in the article; but maybe just maybe she shot the bear in the head... Now Im just guessing a bear changes its attitude pretty quick when you shoot it in the head and the cartridge becomes less relevant once you start scrambling the brain.
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So sure we can debate cartridges and weapons platforms (thats fun) but maybe we ought to consider the effects of the impact location....and just to add a little Saturday morning fun maybe she could have shot the bear in the pelvis, cuz surely that would have stopped him??? (Disregard if you dont understand the sarcasm)
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Have someone stand 35 feet or so away from you. Take a basketball and bounce it at you, waist high.

See if you can hit that bouncing basketball as it closes the gap with you.
That’s about a close a simulation I can think of. Better yet, do it from a position of the bottom of a hill so the bouncing ball propelled from up-hill (simulates the bears head movement) gains speed.
 
Anchorite said:
Have someone stand 35 feet or so away from you. Take a basketball and bounce it at you, waist high.

See if you can hit that bouncing basketball as it closes the gap with you.
That’s about a close a simulation I can think of. Better yet, do it from a position of the bottom of a hill so the bouncing ball propelled from up-hill (simulates the bears head movement) gains speed.
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Phaser said:
A basketball and charging bear comparison...huh
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interesting
 
Part of the Professional Hunter training in RSA involves shooting a charging target. Ive seen them mount the target on a cart attached to a 4x4 with a rope. On signal the cart is pulled toward the shooter who must engage it. The basketball test sounds interesting, might be fun to try it
 
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