KillerFord1977
Emissary
The LEO that posted that video is active Swat, Instructor and competition shooter that wins matches also. Knows his stuff.
I would say more range time is indicated for the PD
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The upper 10% or the LE 10/80/10% breakdown
Jester560
Professional
Hence the reason I said "most".
KillerFord1977
Emissary
I’d say the police fired a few rounds.
Local PD shot and killed a man that threatened the public with a machete and refused to drop the weapon when commanded.
By the local news pic, i see at least #49 evidence marker for shell casings
I’d like to know how many times the subject was hit
Local PD shot and killed a man that threatened the public with a machete and refused to drop the weapon when commanded.
By the local news pic, i see at least #49 evidence marker for shell casings
I’d like to know how many times the subject was hit
Well....not criticizing the local pds, but, when hunting - we called those who shot like that - had "buck fever". I saw a few who absolutely could not hit anything and the game animal, ran all over and escaped without harm. I asked them how they missed, and the answer was usually something along the lines of the animal was moving too fast. Ahem. It was not moving when they started. My guess is something similar is going on here with those officers - they are running backward while yanking on the trigger and moving their service pistols all over the place. Shocked that no innocents were struck. Cover fire is best left to the battlefield and not in urban centers with the populace everywhere.
rcurtner
Hellcat
Wow, at least 49 rounds fired where did all that lead go?I’d say the police fired a few rounds.
Local PD shot and killed a man that threatened the public with a machete and refused to drop the weapon when commanded.
By the local news pic, i see at least #49 evidence marker for shell casings
I’d like to know how many times the subject was hit
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KillerFord1977
Emissary
Right ???
Thats a lot of errant rounds. I would say it was multiple officers as well
KillerFord1977
Emissary
I’ll have to say, tongue in cheek, that if you run from the police, run in a straight line. The chances of them connecting a shot is slim
rcurtner
Hellcat
Think you're right. Although tongue in cheek probably pretty close to reality.I’ll have to say, tongue in cheek, that if you run from the police, run in a straight line. The chances of them connecting a shot is slim
Retired Bum
Professional
I wasn't there, so I'll not judge. Knowing what shooting at and having returned fire directed at me is like, range time may or may not be needed or afforded the officers, officers need more.
Officers generally stand on a line with paper targets and little stress. Officers need to know something about the stresses of a gunfight before it happens to them.
Maybe some of the departments could use air soft, or paint balls to acquaint the officers to stress, something..... IDK.
Officers generally stand on a line with paper targets and little stress. Officers need to know something about the stresses of a gunfight before it happens to them.
Maybe some of the departments could use air soft, or paint balls to acquaint the officers to stress, something..... IDK.
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PAGunGuy
Custom
I have been with my agency for almost 8 years and still have yet to have any force on force training. It was supposed to happen shortly after I graduated the academy, but that was March of 2020 and the whole world went insane. Our trainers keep saying they are going to do it, but, I am not holding my breath
We do a tactical shoot once a year that has us moving and shooting, that's the closest we get to anythign actually practical for the field.
I have found doing some practical pistol shooting at my local club to be somewhat helpful. No one is shooting back, but, at least, there is movement, and the stress of competition. And it's indoors, so they will do different thinks with lighting, smoke machines, etc..
But, yes, I think some type of force on force training would be the best. And somewhat regularly, too
I was an agency lead instructor and spent about 15 years doing SORT (our SEAT) and some of the specialty train in g thwre and sim stuff was really really valid and what everyone should be doing.
That said I got involved in Rangemasater for my retirement instructor stuff and did some classes with Spaulding, Bolke, Haggard, Weems Hearne Dyal Dobbs and many more and can tell you most national level trainers from Ramgemater, or have been on Primary Secondary are vetted and the courses they provide are major league to any agency training doing mandated state qual BS.
Many Officer force in force courses so my advice and I know it sucks to pay for your own training but take time off and do a course or two like that a year.
I will say John Hearne (Teo Oillars Training) has the best Cognative handgun with tactical anything classes and he travels throughout that country so while not a force on force it teaches you Cognative decision making with a gun so check out his work.
And in my reference above of the LE fokks 10/80/10 the top 10% were those of us that went to teainjng classes and matches and practiced on our own time!
Good luck