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9 mm Carry Guns Yesterday and Today

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Winchester67

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The Browning Hi-Power was a twelve round 9 mm (always download one for maximum reliability) when I carried a 9 in those olden days when I felt I needed more rounds than a .45 1911. (looking at you St. Louis) Now the Hellcat or Sig P365 XL offers a 13 round 9mm with Fun Size dimensions. Progress!

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Frankly I miss the days when the Hi Power was THE “hi cap” pistol. Somehow, in some way, we all got by without high capacity pistols. I felt comfortably armed with a PPK in .380 and had no concerns about running into bangers with Glocks and switches. A 1911 was pretty much top dog for SD ‘(‘course frankly it still is)
 
When the topic of older 9mm guns gets brought up I can’t not think of this classic combo that Illinois State Police used to great success.

While the micro 9’s and HST gets all the press I would be just fine with this combo
A S&W Model 39-3 and Federal 9mm 115 9BPLE JHP at 1,300 FPS
 

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Shibadog said:
Frankly I miss the days when the Hi Power was THE “hi cap” pistol. Somehow, in some way, we all got by without high capacity pistols. I felt comfortably armed with a PPK in .380 and had no concerns about running into bangers with Glocks and switches. A 1911 was pretty much top dog for SD ‘(‘course frankly it still is)
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I am all for anyone being able to get 17-30 to whatever but folks get offended whem you state what is factual information. Self defense scenerios for normal earth people at a mall don’t go past 3 to 19 rounds with most being around 4 or less.

But everyone thinks they are going to be an exception. Why I don’t feel underfunded with a 4” K frame and 12 rounds. But hi capacity is a security blanket a lot of folks buy into
 
ECS686 said:
I am all for anyone being able to get 17-30 to whatever but folks get offended whem you state what is factual information. Self defense scenerios for normal earth people at a mall don’t go past 3 to 19 rounds with most being around 4 or less.

But everyone thinks they are going to be an exception. Why I don’t feel underfunded with a 4” K frame and 12 rounds. But hi capacity is a security blanket a lot of folks buy into
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I fear many use “capacity” as a substitute for “skill”, ie Spray and Pray. As ‘ol Col Cooper said, “if you can’t stop a thug or two with seven round, you don’t need more ammo, you need to learn to shoot”. That pretty well sums it up imho. I’m not going out looking for trouble or hanging out in the hood. I carry a single stack or wheelgun 99% of the time and don’t feel underarmed. On the security team at church it’s a double stack CZ, but only because there are a lot of folks there who would depend on us if things went bad.
 
Shibadog said:
I fear many use “capacity” as a substitute for “skill”, ie Spray and Pray. As ‘ol Col Cooper said, “if you can’t stop a thug or two with seven round, you don’t need more ammo, you need to learn to shoot”. That pretty well sums it up imho. I’m not going out looking for trouble or hanging out in the hood. I carry a single stack or wheelgun 99% of the time and don’t feel underarmed. On the security team at church it’s a double stack CZ, but only because there are a lot of folks there who would depend on us if things went bad.
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Not to get off topic, I have been a nerd in handgun fighting and have seen many fights as well as taken many many classes from national level folks and have AI’s with John Hearne l.

Being involved in the training side from revolvers through now a great example is LE. If (and you can find multiple examples of this) if a shooting takes less than 7 rounds it’s successful for the Oklice. If it goes past 7 it becomes a magdump and everything except the perps elbow or ankle is hit. That whole “shoot til the threat goes away” mindset that has carried over.

It’s sort of the same mindset in the civilian side with a LOT driving the comped handgun popularity because they shoot “flatter” for those jailbait split times of .16 that is great for a USPSA stage uiu know each target gets with a 5 minute walkthrough but that serious physical assault not so much ak that .50 is more what happens at best.

But folks want what they want and all the guntubers that haven’t been in use of force incidents have told them so!
 
Personally, I don’t mind carrying fewer rounds, but if it’s going to be less than 10, it will be a .45 1911 or a J-Frame sized revolver (and both mine hold six - .32 or .38S/.357).

I think the capacity arguments arise from the threats of today that very well may have more than just one assailant. Plenty of video of carjackers jumping potential victims in their driveways with 2 or more assailants.

I live in a small enough town in Texas I feel quite comfortable with less than 10 rounds (though I sometimes carry more just because I like the gun 😃). If I lived in around Houston you can bet I’d have a very different mindset about capacity.
 
Hope I am never in the "survival" situation, how many rounds? Every one it takes and then one or two more to remove vital signs of the attacker. If attacker walks out of hospital you can count on a "pay back" visit in your future.
 
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