testtest

Ayoob: How to Discreetly Carry Larger Handguns

Danny81 said:
I have a bunch of speed loaders for my revolvers. They're handy, but not that speedy! :-) For the vast majority of handgunners, you simply can't beat a mag swap.
Click to expand...
A cop I competed against in the 70s could have given Jerry Miculik a run for his money with reloading from an HKS speed loader. Dennis' secret was practicing for 2 hours, every day killing the bad guys on TV programs. We joked about his full auto revolver.
 
Retired Bum said:
A cop I competed against in the 70s could have given Jerry Miculik a run for his money with reloading from an HKS speed loader. Dennis' secret was practicing for 2 hours, every day killing the bad guys on TV programs. We joked about his full auto revolver.
Click to expand...
I've seen people who can do superior things with less-than-typical equipment. The rest of us just watch and are amazed. Me, I have other more important things to do. LOL! :-)
 
Danny81 said:
I've seen people who can do superior things with less-than-typical equipment. The rest of us just watch and are amazed. Me, I have other more important things to do. LOL! :-)
Click to expand...
This was back in the dark ages, and he competed with what he was allowed to carry on duty. He didn't want to die at the hands of some idiot that got a lucky shot off. He was one of the best influences of my career.
 
The Newhall Incident in 1970 changed the landscape where speedloaders are concerned, as well as defensive shooting tactics. Most agencies until then carried dump pouches that were supposed to dump 6 rounds into your hand. After Newhall everybody wanted speedloaders. Using them is an acquired skill that requires technique and enough repetitions to make the reload an automatic response. For several years I trained security officers whose companies thought they should carry revolvers. A number of them were former police officers who caried Glocks or Berettas or S&W Gen 3 pistols their entire career and had never seen a speedloader, and some had never fired a revolver. I drilled the heck out of them on speedloaders with dummy rounds and made them reload without looking at the gun. That paid off especially in night fire. It was gratifying to see how quickly most of them picked it up and developed speed and skill over a few days.
 
HayesGreener said:
The Newhall Incident in 1970 changed the landscape where speedloaders are concerned, as well as defensive shooting tactics. Most agencies until then carried dump pouches that were supposed to dump 6 rounds into your hand. After Newhall everybody wanted speedloaders. Using them is an acquired skill that requires technique and enough repetitions to make the reload an automatic response. For several years I trained security officers whose companies thought they should carry revolvers. A number of them were former police officers who caried Glocks or Berettas or S&W Gen 3 pistols their entire career and had never seen a speedloader, and some had never fired a revolver. I drilled the heck out of them on speedloaders with dummy rounds and made them reload without looking at the gun. That paid off especially in night fire. It was gratifying to see how quickly most of them picked it up and developed speed and skill over a few days.
Click to expand...
Practice makes perfect, right? I'm no slouch with a speedloader; I can use them efficiently. However, I'm not ready to challenge anyone to a competition. :-) Assuming -- in a stressful situation -- you can reload using one in fairly workmanlike manner, I think that indicates proficiency. It doesn't mean you're an expert; it just means IF you need to do a speed reload, you can do so without looking like you're all thumbs.... and you can stay in the fight.
 
Danny81 said:
I'm 5'6" and 170 lbs. I can carry my Hellcat in a Crossbreed Reckoning IWB holster under a t-shirt using the smaller mag. The butt ends up just ahead of my right arm, totally concealed. I try to combine with a patterned shirt to camouflage it even more. With good Hornady Critical Defense/Critical Duty I'm comfortable knowing any typical threat can be handled with it and me. The folks who contemplate gunfights at 25 yards are probably watching gangbangers go at it on the news. Just my opinion.
Click to expand...
Hell yeah this is what I'm talkin bout
 
It's all well and good if you can comfortably carry/conceal a larger pistol. However, my philosophy is that the gun you have on you is better than the one you don't (because it's too big to conceal, too uncomforable, heavy, whatever). A .380 in my pocket is far more effective than the 1911 I don't have on me.



 
Interesting academic discussion about choice and adaptability to the user's attire. From a practicality standpoint two comments:
1. EDC firearms are primarily intended for you to save your life by disabling an armed aggressor and you may have to take a life. It is not the caliber of the firearm, but the caliber of the marksman under pressure..
2. For the private citizen - If you EDC rig has extra magazines associated with it you may be living in or traveling through the wrong neighborhood. Food for thought.
 
1000003067.webp


IIRC, Bianchi was wearing 17 or something like that in the photo. This dates back to 1980, and many of his designs have been copied or improved upon.

Take your pick, but I'm sure you can get something that will hide the gun.
 
1911 Guy said:
Interesting academic discussion about choice and adaptability to the user's attire. From a practicality standpoint two comments:
1. EDC firearms are primarily intended for you to save your life by disabling an armed aggressor and you may have to take a life. It is not the caliber of the firearm, but the caliber of the marksman under pressure..
2. For the private citizen - If you EDC rig has extra magazines associated with it you may be living in or traveling through the wrong neighborhood. Food for thought.
Click to expand...
Say it again "Hell yeah this is what I'm talkin bout"
 
HayesGreener said:
The Newhall Incident in 1970 changed the landscape where speedloaders are concerned, as well as defensive shooting tactics. Most agencies until then carried dump pouches that were supposed to dump 6 rounds into your hand. After Newhall everybody wanted speedloaders. Using them is an acquired skill that requires technique and enough repetitions to make the reload an automatic response. For several years I trained security officers whose companies thought they should carry revolvers. A number of them were former police officers who caried Glocks or Berettas or S&W Gen 3 pistols their entire career and had never seen a speedloader, and some had never fired a revolver. I drilled the heck out of them on speedloaders with dummy rounds and made them reload without looking at the gun. That paid off especially in night fire. It was gratifying to see how quickly most of them picked it up and developed speed and skill over a few days.
Click to expand...
My recollection of the Newhall shooting is that the CHP officers had been taught to put their empty hulls in their pocket when reloading. You guessed it…they had cases in their pocket. Speedloaders didn’t become popular until 1973, IIRC. Going through the L.A. police academy in mid-71, the shooting was heavily talked about,as well as the “Onion field” shooting. High times for law enforcement in the early 70s.
 
Danny81 said:
I have a bunch of speed loaders for my revolvers. They're handy, but not that speedy! :-) For the vast majority of handgunners, you simply can't beat a mag swap.
Click to expand...

A good person with speedloaders , can reload overlapping with a firing line of casual to medium level bottomfeeders .

( You start picking up with your SL technique , after first 500 reps behind your back .)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top