Bassbob
Emissary
Since when is a judge qualified to determine if a person has a mental deficiency ?
As long as your rights aren’t violated while you’re appealing it. Which I’m sure they are.
DOJ considering Gun Control for Gender Dysphoria
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As long as your rights aren’t violated while you’re appealing it. Which I’m sure they are.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Well, there's the 'proof in the pudding'! Well, the part about "gender dysphoria/transgender anyway ... not so much about the Glocks and all others.
Onewolf426
Hellcat
Member of trans vegan cult pleads not guilty to killing Border Patrol agent in first hearing on murder charge
Teresa Youngblut, 21, appeared in federal court to face murder charges in the fatal shooting of Border Patrol agent David Maland during a traffic stop.
Johnny Yuma
Operator
Military mental evals were a gas. I had several of them done while I was in.
When the Docs all told me I was sane, I knew they were quacks.
When the Docs all told me I was sane, I knew they were quacks.
FNFAN
Master Class
Yes. I'm against this -absent any other aberrant behavior. I remember when they were trying to deny guns to military service members suffering depression.
Waveslayer
Operator
It was a joke and will never pass, but funny enough to play by their stupid logic!
HayesGreener
Ronin
Musashi
Custom
"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"
I have noticed our pistol training classes filling up with a lot more "diversity" these days.
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"
I have noticed our pistol training classes filling up with a lot more "diversity" these days.
Model 457
Master Class
My ¢2 - Take it for what it is worth.
1) Red Flag laws have proven to have all too often been used nefariously versus for truly necessary situations. And the unfairly afflicted sometimes spend thousands of dollars fighting to get their collection returned to them. More often then not, they are unsuccessful because the firearms have "disappeared" or were destroyed.
2) Without an enormous amount of data analyzation of information that isn't supposed to exist, or to be available legally, I question the integrity of your proposed .000000001% "statistic."
3) I too have "extensive experience" dealing with acute and chronically mentally ill people. I would really love to hear your thoughts as to how Red Flag laws would apply to people that shouldn't own, or have access to firearms to begin with.
Generally applicable to comments made by others within the thread:
"In the DSM-III (1980), the diagnosis "transsexualism" was introduced. This diagnosis was later changed to "Gender Identity Disorder" (GID) in the DSM-IV (1994). GID remained in the DSM-5 (2013), but with significant changes.
The DSM-5 removed the diagnosis of GID and replaced it with "Gender Dysphoria". This change reflected a shift in understanding and recognition of transgender individuals. Gender Dysphoria focuses on the distress and discomfort experienced by individuals whose gender identity does not align with their assigned sex, rather than on the individuals themselves as being disordered.
It's important to note that the removal of GID from the DSM does not mean that transgender individuals are no longer considered to have a medical condition. Gender Dysphoria remains a diagnosis that can be used to describe the distress associated with gender incongruence. However, it is not a diagnosis that is used to pathologize or stigmatize transgender individuals."
Now, current day transgenderism is very different from the good ole "Drag Queens" of the 70s. Most of the "drag queens" were openly homosexual but did not believe they were born in the wrong body. Being a drag queen was more of a statement than a belief.
"Affirming" transgenderism leads to further confusion and internal strife for those, more particularly in the youth, who endure this horrible mental affliction. Parents and government that support this "affirming care" exasperate this strife and confusion.
No matter how you choose to slice the cake, there is an XX, XY, and in rare instances, XXY (Klinefelter syndrome) human chromosomal structure. No amount of gender affirming care can fix or change that.
All of that being said, ANYTIME we allow our government to broadly impact anyone's 2A rights, we actively participated in stepping onto the slippery slope. The next president might be Muslim. Do you think the Christians stand a chance of retaining their 2A rights? This progresses to people of color, short people, bald people, on and on goes the merry-go-round until "out of my cold, dead fingers" becomes a reality.
Yes, through the Ballot Box via Congress.
The president is the leader of 1/3rd of our government. Nothing more.
Sharks79
Professional
Also important to note, as i think Simon pointed out that gender dysphoria and transgender are not equal. Also there is a difference between sex and gender, and that line i think is often where people get crossed up. Gender is not xx, and xy, that’s sex. Gender is a social construct.
As most have said, including me i think earlier in thread, it’s not really a good thing and opens doors to other bogus reasons a law abiding person can’t legally obtain a firearm.
Also the difference in transsexual and transgender. Transsexual has roots in medical causes (genetics, horomones, gonad development, etc.). Transgender has roots in mental causes and may or may not be related to depression, anxiety, aggression, etc.
NONE of those have any relation to sociopathy or psychopathy, or any relevant mental state that would be a true danger.
Model 457
Master Class
Thank you for your input.
The last paragraph of my post says exactly the same thing your last paragraph says. I can admit my last paragraph was potentially lengthier than necessary to make the very same point.
Now for my additional input:
Nowhere in my post did I draw the distinction between sex and gender. I merely stated that NO amount of "gender affirming care" will chromosomally change a person.
If you have, or had testicles, you are male. Period. No amount of "affirmative care" can change that.
If you are, or were physically born as a male, you cannot carry and birth a baby.
If you were born with ovaries, you are female and you simply cannot impregnate another female despite any amount of "affirmative care."
As of now, there is not a birth certificate in the USA that states SEX:
Sharks79
Professional
You also said
"Affirming" transgenderism leads to further confusion and internal strife for those, more particularly in the youth, who endure this horrible mental affliction. Parents and government that support this "affirming care" exasperate this strife and confusion.
Which is why i added. I wasn’t disagreeing with your statement as you pointed out but added that gender is social, and a man who wishes to follow female gender norms isn’t going to feel better by trying to make them “man up” as it seems you are suggesting. I don’t feel it’s a disorder that needs treatment to get rid of. By definitely transgender is when your gender differs from sex. The affirming care you are saying isn’t going to help is what seeks to work on the disconnect between their gender identity and their sex. I’m not sure i understand you’re point, sounds like it’s “suck it up”
. fullly agree with sex assigned at birth is male/female, but as that person develops it doesn’t always end up so cut and dry, and that’s where the affirmation care comes in. That said, I think you are spot on about possible issues arising from people making choices prior to themselves reaching adulthood and understanding of themselves and receiving care. Adults though i don’t see and issue. I worked with someone that was transitioning from female to male, and the only reason i knew was because he sent in a CT scan for a doctor note (which i dind’t ask for but whatever
) and it showed a different name and gender female. dude was just living, not making any big case or any kind of show, heck nobody knew.
Model 457
Master Class
I suppose I am not very bright when I make the assumption my post had actually been read.....
"In the DSM-III (1980), the diagnosis "transsexualism" was introduced. This diagnosis was later changed to "Gender Identity Disorder" (GID) in the DSM-IV (1994). GID remained in the DSM-5 (2013), but with significant changes.
The DSM-5 removed the diagnosis of GID and replaced it with "Gender Dysphoria". This change reflected a shift in understanding and recognition of transgender individuals. Gender Dysphoria focuses on the distress and discomfort experienced by individuals whose gender identity does not align with their assigned sex, rather than on the individuals themselves as being disordered.
It's important to note that the removal of GID from the DSM does not mean that transgender individuals are no longer considered to have a medical condition. Gender Dysphoria remains a diagnosis that can be used to describe the distress associated with gender incongruence. However, it is not a diagnosis that is used to pathologize or stigmatize transgender individuals."
Sharks79
Professional
I think transexual has roots in medical diagnosis but not really still relevant. At least that’s what a quick google said. Transgender is definitely mental but think it’s roots are difference between gender assigned and gender feel, not an expert though in any way
If you have, or had testicles, you are male. Period. No amount of "affirmative care" can change that.
If you are, or were physically born as a male, you cannot carry and birth a baby.
If you were born with ovaries, you are female and you simply cannot impregnate another female despite any amount of "affirmative care."
As of now, there is not a birth certificate in the USA that states SEX:Male
Female
Undecided
The first three are true for sex. They do not define gender identity - it is possible for a person with male or female organs to psychologically/mentally identify using characteristics from the opposite (or a blend of) gender identities, and to express those characteristics through dress, mannerism, name or not at all.
As for the last, many states now have an option for "U" or "X" on a birth certificate, few if any allow that at birth, however, and require varying degrees of affidavit, evidence and court interaction to change.
None of those alone are reason for anyone to lose any constitutional rights.
SteveInConverse
Operator
Statistically, they almost always are.