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Old_Me

Old_Me

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a convicted guy got the death penalty, and frankly, i am not sure how this stuff works, ....i did of course search and read "some about it", and it seems to be too controversial as well.......

i fully believe in the death penalty, but is this method going to gain traction for more support, or more push against it..???

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When I was younger there was a brutal crime in Illinois.
Eight student nurse's were brutally killed by richard speck, he was found guilty and sentenced to death at Stateville prison.
Too bad he had too many appeals and he died of natural causes in prison.
The death penalty will never be allowed in the Midwest.
 
When the government/prosecution decide to pursue the death penalty in a case, it triggers automatically several additional layers of “protection” under the law - certain pre-trial hearings are required and a mitigation determination is required, along with an automatic appeal to the criminal appeals court and then the Supreme Court of that State. Experts are required at many points along the trial process.

Very long, expensive and detailed process. Not easy by any means. Requirements are placed on the judge, the prosecution and the defense teams. It’s stressful and expensive.

It’s not a perfect system by any means, but it’s all we’ve ever been able to come up with in all the years our “system” has been at work. Is it the best solution? Depends on who you ask and against what metric that person is measuring their response.

I’ve not ever personally been involved in a death case in my 25+ years of practice, but I have been involved in some capital cases (serious offenses including killing where life in prison without possibility of release). I also don’t exclusively practice criminal work.

Do I believe in the death penalty? I honestly believe every case is unique and from the facts the law should be applied.
I’ll offer this … lots of really smart, talented people do this work and study the circumstances and compile a lot of data. Just depends on how it is portrayed to whatever audience. Both sides of the debate have their narratives.
 
Belt Fed said:
I don't have a problem with it. dude burned a guy up. i think he suffered pain too. maybe they should have burned him up too instead of the gas.
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yes, as i said, i am all for the death penalty...as many of others are here, and across the nation are.

however, to me at least, this method of the nitrogen gas execution, is new to me, and if i recall, only 1 other time was it used.

since it's "new" (relatively speaking to me at least), it seems as though it is "experimental" ...????

the gas chamber and electric chair were also "experimental" when each was done the first few times too, but of course way back then, no one cared as long as the sentence was carried out swiftly, and there weren't much in protestors both civilian and political that could change that.

these days of people standing up for the rights of the doomed, as we know push back on the death penalty.....

so......do any of you see MORE push back on this form of execution than all the other forms of execution..??

also as in the lethal injections..????.....that many claim are inhumane due to things going wrong during the process..??

to me, firing squad, electric chair, gas chamber, and hanging due very well.
 
Grayfox said:
I'm in favor of the death penalty. But this nitrogen thing doesn't seem right to me. I have COPD. I know what its like to have trouble breathing. I wouldn't wish death by suffocation on anybody.
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and THATS what got me to wonder....

yes, many people even me, will say something like, "who cares, the killer never gave any thought on how he/she killed"

i dunno, but i "see" many debates on this method in the very near future.
 
mreed911 said:
I believe there should be one cell on any given state's death row. You get it until the next person is convicted to death, then you get to make room for them. Add that element of just not knowing to the process... no more "hotel forever" death rows.
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its the damned "appeals process" that makes things linger on.

i say at the very least 1 appeal..still guilty..???

then carry out the death penalty, that same day.
 
I am a firm believer in the firing squad and I am against continuous appeals for outrages crimes. IMO there should be a limit on the number of appeals and a time limit like 3 years to file said appeals. I know that Idaho reverted back to a firing squad and it was unanimous and I would have agreed whole heartedly.
 
NMEDGE said:
Personally the firing squad seems the way to go. No suffering, no pain. One minute your here and the next gone, easy peasy.
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It took a minute or so after Edward Slovik was shot for him to die. He was shot with 11 rounds of 30.06. Every round was in his upper chest.

The firing party was selected from men from the unit that he deserted and they were told that if they refused the assignment they'd be put up against the wall right next to Slovik.

One of the firing party actually asked if they could put a mark on slow uniform to indicate where to shoot. He was told that he was being overly dramatic. After the execution the Doctor Who pronounced Slovak dead said maybe it was wouldn't have been such a bad idea.

Everything I've heard about nitrogen suffocation is that it's supposed to be quick and painless. If this man struggled for 15 minutes that's not quick and painless.

I don't think there's a way to instantly execute somebody that's not gruesome.

When I had my dog put to sleep we specifically asked the doctor to sedate her and then give her the drug that stops her heart.

That actually seemed to work very well.

Maybe they should build a prison like a supermax. , instead of sentence sentencing somebody to death, you sentence them to that prison for life with no possibility of parole.
 
Wirenut said:
The death penalty will never be allowed in the Midwest.
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We’re killing ‘em in Indiana now. Last month, I think was the third since restarting.

How should we do it? I don’t know, but we’ve been instantaneously or near-instantaneously putting down pets as small as a few pounds at vet’s offices, and cattle up to a ton or so at slaughterhouses for decades. There must be a way.
 
Why do people worry about the suffering and disposing of human waste. these people had no regards for the pain and suffering of the people they murdered. put them to sleep the cheapest and easiest way possible and let they crybabies whine about it. these killers deserve everything they get. Now i also know there are cases that should be handled differently, but these monsters that just kill for no reason, yeah who cares how they die, long as they die.
 
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