Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “How to Shoot Faster (and Actually Hit)” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/how-to-shoot-faster/.
How to Shoot Faster (and Actually Hit)
- Thread starter Mike H.
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Annihilator
Hellion
Sorry Mike, couldn’t resist…..
MROD
Alpha
Why do folks continue to spread self defense gun training nonsense? It's just going to get people killed.
Your attacker will never stand broadside at 25 yards and wait for you to shoot them like a paper target. NEVER.
The majority of self-defense altercations occur inside 7 feet. You won't get an opportunity extend your arms, push the gun forward, get your perfect thumb over grip, or see your sights. Point, or press and shoot, while fighting off the attack inside 7 feet is the proper training format. Will your handgun go out of battery if you have to press it to your attacker and shoot? You don't hear numb gunners talk about that but it highly likely to occur.
Amazing this still continues.
Your attacker will never stand broadside at 25 yards and wait for you to shoot them like a paper target. NEVER.
The majority of self-defense altercations occur inside 7 feet. You won't get an opportunity extend your arms, push the gun forward, get your perfect thumb over grip, or see your sights. Point, or press and shoot, while fighting off the attack inside 7 feet is the proper training format. Will your handgun go out of battery if you have to press it to your attacker and shoot? You don't hear numb gunners talk about that but it highly likely to occur.
Amazing this still continues.
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SouthpawUH60FI
Alpha
I feel like I got the bait and switch. The title in the email I received was "What if you shoot first?" I thought this was going to be about engaging/eliminating a threat by shooting first and possible legal/perception issues to be aware of, not practicing to shoot faster.
BassCliff
Hellcat
Hi,
Apparently someone has not been taking the proper training classes. My instructors incorporate CQC procedures often. We practice one-handed drawing and firing, shooting from retention, etc.
A lot of my classes will begin with a Bill Drill. We'll run it several times, increasing speed each drill, until accuracy falls apart. Students then get pointers about what to work on and improve.
Oh, and welcome to the forum. We look forward to further insights.
Thank you for your indulgence,
Basscliff
Apparently someone has not been taking the proper training classes. My instructors incorporate CQC procedures often. We practice one-handed drawing and firing, shooting from retention, etc.
A lot of my classes will begin with a Bill Drill. We'll run it several times, increasing speed each drill, until accuracy falls apart. Students then get pointers about what to work on and improve.
Oh, and welcome to the forum. We look forward to further insights.
Thank you for your indulgence,
Basscliff
SouthpawUH60FI
Alpha
I think some clarity is needed here. I am trying to read this favorably and infer that your statement is about the author, not MROD, because to me you both seem to be saying the same thing differently. However, the wording of your first sentence could be interpreted as being directed at MROD, so could you clarify what the intent was?Hi,
Apparently someone has not been taking the proper training classes. My instructors incorporate CQC procedures often. We practice one-handed drawing and firing, shooting from retention, etc.
A lot of my classes will begin with a Bill Drill. We'll run it several times, increasing speed each drill, until accuracy falls apart. Students then get pointers about what to work on and improve.
Oh, and welcome to the forum. We look forward to further insights.
Thank you for your indulgence,
Basscliff
BassCliff
Hellcat
Hi,
The last email I received had to do with the M1 Garand. The Armory Life has a lot of good info in their articles. Sure, some of it may be old hat if you've been training and shooting for a long time.
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Occasionally SA will have an article concerned with advanced tactics...
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This is the first part of an older series dealing with legal stuff...
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Anyway, there's some good stuff, some review stuff, and other stuff that may be of no use to some.
Golly, I must be bored today. But I've found some pretty cool articles on the website. Thanks for putting up with me.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
The last email I received had to do with the M1 Garand. The Armory Life has a lot of good info in their articles. Sure, some of it may be old hat if you've been training and shooting for a long time.
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This is the first part of an older series dealing with legal stuff...
Self-Defense and the Law: Tactical & Legal, Part 1 - The Armory Life
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A more recent article dealing with post-shooting trauma...
Ayoob: Post-Shooting Trauma Realities - The Armory Life
Editor’s Note: Massad Ayoob has been covering Post-Shooting Trauma in his classes both for police and armed citizens around the world, currently is teaching through Massad Ayoob Group (MAG), and has been an expert witness for the courts in weapons- and homicide-related cases since 1979. He began...
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Anyway, there's some good stuff, some review stuff, and other stuff that may be of no use to some.
Golly, I must be bored today. But I've found some pretty cool articles on the website. Thanks for putting up with me.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Annihilator
Hellion
I don’t get the emails, opted out of them, to may Ayoob ones…..Hi,
The last email I received had to do with the M1 Garand. The Armory Life has a lot of good info in their articles. Sure, some of it may be old hat if you've been training and shooting for a long time.
Skills Collection - The Armory Life
Shooting skills and training tips for those who live "The Armory Life." Includes videos and articles on home defense and firearm maintenance.
EDC Collection - The Armory Life
Everyday Carry articles and videos for those who live "The Armory Life." Read, watch, learn and be entertained with EDC topics including concealed carry.
Occasionally SA will have an article concerned with advanced tactics...
Gunfight Shooting Positions: Tactics for Cars, Cover and More - The Armory Life
Editor’s Note: The pistol shooting positions shown here are for informational purposes only and should not be attempted without a competent instructor in a safe learning environment. In our opinion, positional shooting is often overlooked and over-complicated by many instructors or shooters. But...
This is the first part of an older series dealing with legal stuff...
Self-Defense and the Law: Tactical & Legal, Part 1 - The Armory Life
Editor’s Note: Be aware of your local and state as well as federal laws and how they apply to carrying firearms and self-defense. This piece does not constitute legal advice. You can see part 2 here and part 3 here. In this segment of “Tactical & Legal”, Rob Orgel, Lead Instructor at ER...
A more recent article dealing with post-shooting trauma...
Ayoob: Post-Shooting Trauma Realities - The Armory Life
Editor’s Note: Massad Ayoob has been covering Post-Shooting Trauma in his classes both for police and armed citizens around the world, currently is teaching through Massad Ayoob Group (MAG), and has been an expert witness for the courts in weapons- and homicide-related cases since 1979. He began...
Anyway, there's some good stuff, some review stuff, and other stuff that may be of no use to some.
Golly, I must be bored today. But I've found some pretty cool articles on the website. Thanks for putting up with me.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
BassCliff
Hellcat
Hi,
Welcome to the forum.
Well, I'll tell you what. When a new member shows up and posts a snarky blanket statement which is just a profound glimpse into the obvious, they might expect a little snark in return.
The OP article was only one aspect of what should be a well-rounded regimen in order to prepare for real-world situations.
I suggest that both of you hang around, read a few threads, get to know us, and become part of the community. We share all kinds of skills, expertise, and experiences. We have a lot of good times here, poking fun at each other, learning from each other, and admiring each other's Hi-Points. Pull up a keyboard and make yourself at home.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Welcome to the forum.
Well, I'll tell you what. When a new member shows up and posts a snarky blanket statement which is just a profound glimpse into the obvious, they might expect a little snark in return.
The OP article was only one aspect of what should be a well-rounded regimen in order to prepare for real-world situations.
I suggest that both of you hang around, read a few threads, get to know us, and become part of the community. We share all kinds of skills, expertise, and experiences. We have a lot of good times here, poking fun at each other, learning from each other, and admiring each other's Hi-Points. Pull up a keyboard and make yourself at home.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
SouthpawUH60FI
Alpha
Right, that is the correct email. It lists three articles, the link for What if you shoot first? takes to this How to Shoot Faster article:Hi,
The last email I received had to do with the M1 Garand. The Armory Life has a lot of good info in their articles. Sure, some of it may be old hat if you've been training and shooting for a long time.
Skills Collection - The Armory Life
Shooting skills and training tips for those who live "The Armory Life." Includes videos and articles on home defense and firearm maintenance.
EDC Collection - The Armory Life
Everyday Carry articles and videos for those who live "The Armory Life." Read, watch, learn and be entertained with EDC topics including concealed carry.
Occasionally SA will have an article concerned with advanced tactics...
Gunfight Shooting Positions: Tactics for Cars, Cover and More - The Armory Life
Editor’s Note: The pistol shooting positions shown here are for informational purposes only and should not be attempted without a competent instructor in a safe learning environment. In our opinion, positional shooting is often overlooked and over-complicated by many instructors or shooters. But...
This is the first part of an older series dealing with legal stuff...
Self-Defense and the Law: Tactical & Legal, Part 1 - The Armory Life
Editor’s Note: Be aware of your local and state as well as federal laws and how they apply to carrying firearms and self-defense. This piece does not constitute legal advice. You can see part 2 here and part 3 here. In this segment of “Tactical & Legal”, Rob Orgel, Lead Instructor at ER...
A more recent article dealing with post-shooting trauma...
Ayoob: Post-Shooting Trauma Realities - The Armory Life
Editor’s Note: Massad Ayoob has been covering Post-Shooting Trauma in his classes both for police and armed citizens around the world, currently is teaching through Massad Ayoob Group (MAG), and has been an expert witness for the courts in weapons- and homicide-related cases since 1979. He began...
Anyway, there's some good stuff, some review stuff, and other stuff that may be of no use to some.
Golly, I must be bored today. But I've found some pretty cool articles on the website. Thanks for putting up with me.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
WAS THE M1 GARAND
THE WRONG CHOICE?,
WHAT IF YOU SHOOT FIRST?, and
JULIE GOLOB’S ECHELON 4.0FC.
BassCliff
Hellcat
Hi,
So, somebody emailed a bad link? Mis-stated or mis-typed the title of the article? It happens. Let's hope that article gets posted in the future. I'd like to hear their thoughts on that subject as well.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
So, somebody emailed a bad link? Mis-stated or mis-typed the title of the article? It happens. Let's hope that article gets posted in the future. I'd like to hear their thoughts on that subject as well.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
SouthpawUH60FI
Alpha
I have, and I do. I saw nothing snarky in MRODs post, just their passion about training for real world situations. The article only covered speed drills, which was also "one aspect of what should be a well-rounded regimen..."
As for hanging around. There is this neat little trick here. You can hover over the poster's badge and see their joined date. I see you joined in 2021. I joined in 2022. MROD joined over a year ago. I can't speak for MROD, but I don't post much do this exact situation. Thanks for validating my perception.
BassCliff
Hellcat
Hi,
I try not to have a chip on my shoulder when I post.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
I try not to have a chip on my shoulder when I post.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
HayesGreener
Ronin
I have always used the Speed, Power, Accuracy triangle in my training courses. I absolutely agree that there is no substitute for marksmanship and that is where fundamental emphasis should be placed. We don't worry about speed at first. Speed comes with repetitive practice. I have found that practicing the draw in dry drills goes a long way to promote speed+accuracy.
I believe one should practice the draw until it becomes an automatic neuromuscular response. You know you have arrived when the gun appears in your hand, on target, with a proper grip, and no thought of how it got there. Power comes from the gun, which needs to be sufficient go get the job done but not so much report, flash, and recoil to screw up the other two points of the triangle. I'll refer back to the thread on FBI ammunition caliber selection.
What I don't worry about is foot position and stance. Of course if you have time to take a classic stance, great. But defensive shooting situations can occur so fast that you just have to go with what you have to avoid being behind the speed curve. For years we taught officers to take a non threatening bladed stance (interview or Weaver stance) when in contact with suspects so that you were already in a shooting or defensive tactics stance in the event violence suddenly erupts. That seemed to go away when the isocoles stance came into vogue. But for all your plans, a shooting position might just be whatever position you are in when the shooting starts.
I believe one should practice the draw until it becomes an automatic neuromuscular response. You know you have arrived when the gun appears in your hand, on target, with a proper grip, and no thought of how it got there. Power comes from the gun, which needs to be sufficient go get the job done but not so much report, flash, and recoil to screw up the other two points of the triangle. I'll refer back to the thread on FBI ammunition caliber selection.
What I don't worry about is foot position and stance. Of course if you have time to take a classic stance, great. But defensive shooting situations can occur so fast that you just have to go with what you have to avoid being behind the speed curve. For years we taught officers to take a non threatening bladed stance (interview or Weaver stance) when in contact with suspects so that you were already in a shooting or defensive tactics stance in the event violence suddenly erupts. That seemed to go away when the isocoles stance came into vogue. But for all your plans, a shooting position might just be whatever position you are in when the shooting starts.
KillerFord1977
Emissary
Here is some light reading on the subject from the USMC. From a period ago
Mr. Untactical
Master Class
Exactly what I was thinking!
Mr. Untactical
Master Class
Quick question: Shooting from retention, am I going to gas myself if my pistol has a barrel port and matching comp on top (e.g., Springfield Echelon 4.0c Comp)? I practice drawing from the holster and dry firing that way, but when I look down, I'm thinking, 'That was a good shot, but that's a big hole on top of this pistol pointing all that gas pretty much straight up toward my face.'Hi,
Apparently someone has not been taking the proper training classes. My instructors incorporate CQC procedures often. We practice one-handed drawing and firing, shooting from retention, etc.
A lot of my classes will begin with a Bill Drill. We'll run it several times, increasing speed each drill, until accuracy falls apart. Students then get pointers about what to work on and improve.
Oh, and welcome to the forum. We look forward to further insights.
Thank you for your indulgence,
Basscliff
Or am I missing something?