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Jam/FTF Question

Sorry Cliff, I stole this from myself on another thread here (since I know you're over 30):

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SL66 said:
Just my thoughts, could the round have tilted upward before being stripped from magazine? I have removed the loaded magazine from the Prodigy after 1 or 2 shots and the next round was a quarter way forward in mag..about to fall out.
Looks like the nose of the bullet was damaged by hitting the upper rim of the chamber when nudging into battery. I am by no means an expert, just an observation.
Standing by with Bella for knowledge.
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That’s an interesting observation, thank you!
 
Well first of all did you isolate the mag you were using ? I can say with almost 100 percent certainty it was either the magazine or the ammo. I've went through tens of thousands of rounds of 124 gr Blazer Brass and never had a single issue, but I've also went through ungodly amounts of WWB 230 gr. and 124 gr. and never had an issue. Any manufacturer can have an out of spec round slip through. I suspect this is the case. What I would do is take the magazine you had the issue with and run a bunch more ammo through it, preferably from the same box or one bought at the same time. Be sure to tap the back of the mag on your hand to seat the shells as far back in the magazine as possible too. Sometimes a round being too far forward in the mag can cause issues.

And of course it could be something else, but all the other factors considered I very seriously doubt it. If you can replicate the issue with the same mag that's probably the culprit. If you can't, then you know what you gotta do, right ? Run another 500- 1000 rounds through the gun with no failures. ;)
 
Lots of different causes for a failure like that.

One thing that didn’t help—the plated bullets Blazer uses. It seems to me their plating is very soft, and will tear/deform at the slightest misalignment…if the COAL was a little long (also, a Blazer thing—they tend to not crimp their bullets very firmly, allowing them to either seat deeper or pull out slightly).

I would say—if you don’t have this issue with your carry ammo, don’t fret it. If you’re carrying Blazer…I’d recommend something else.
 
Bassbob said:
Well first of all did you isolate the mag you were using ? I can say with almost 100 percent certainty it was either the magazine or the ammo. I've went through tens of thousands of rounds of 124 gr Blazer Brass and never had a single issue, but I've also went through ungodly amounts of WWB 230 gr. and 124 gr. and never had an issue. Any manufacturer can have an out of spec round slip through. I suspect this is the case. What I would do is take the magazine you had the issue with and run a bunch more ammo through it, preferably from the same box or one bought at the same time. Be sure to tap the back of the mag on your hand to seat the shells as far back in the magazine as possible too. Sometimes a round being too far forward in the mag can cause issues.

And of course it could be something else, but all the other factors considered I very seriously doubt it. If you can replicate the issue with the same mag that's probably the culprit. If you can't, then you know what you gotta do, right ? Run another 500- 1000 rounds through the gun with no failures. ;)
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I did actually set aside the mag that had the issue. I ran the rest of the ammo through it without a problem, but yeah…I know that any ammo manufacturer can have a bad one get through. Thanks Bob!
 
HansGruber said:
Lots of different causes for a failure like that.

One thing that didn’t help—the plated bullets Blazer uses. It seems to me their plating is very soft, and will tear/deform at the slightest misalignment…if the COAL was a little long (also, a Blazer thing—they tend to not crimp their bullets very firmly, allowing them to either seat deeper or pull out slightly).

I would say—if you don’t have this issue with your carry ammo, don’t fret it. If you’re carrying Blazer…I’d recommend something else.
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Thanks for your input Hans. I carry Federal and I don’t carry the PDP. Good to know.
 
belladonna said:
My husband was looking at it and said the same thing.
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I would guess that the nose caught on something, and got pushed back into the casing when the slide tried to close.

But, a shorter OAL to begin with may have changed the geometry enough to cause the jam, too.

*shrug*

If it doesn’t happen again, I wouldn’t worry…looks like you’re already keeping track of which mag, so if that’s the problem, it should make itself obvious fairly quickly.
 
belladonna said:
I did actually set aside the mag that had the issue. I ran the rest of the ammo through it without a problem, but yeah…I know that any ammo manufacturer can have a bad one get through. Thanks Bob!
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Well, if I remember correctly you are sitting on a pretty good stash of American Eagle. That's always good stuff.

I also agree with Hans pretty much, though I've never personally had an issue with the Blazer Brass. Maybe I've been lucky, but it's hard to imagine given the amount of it I go through. That and S&B are plentiful in Bobland.
 
Bassbob said:
Well, if I remember correctly you are sitting on a pretty good stash of American Eagle. That's always good stuff.

I also agree with Hans pretty much, though I've never personally had an issue with the Blazer Brass. Maybe I've been lucky, but it's hard to imagine given the amount of it I go through. That and S&B are plentiful in Bobland.
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I had a box full of boxes of BB I got for a really good price online. Good news is, I have lots more American Eagle than that, so there’s that…😎
 
belladonna said:
I had a box full of boxes of BB I got for a really good price online. Good news is, I have lots more American Eagle than that, so there’s that…😎
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It's good stuff. I buy it when I can get it on sale, but I don't have too much of it. Not nearly as much as the S&B and BB. But I've never had an issue with those in any of my 9MMs so... And I do go through a pretty hefty amount of it regularly.
 
Bassbob said:
It's good stuff. I buy it when I can get it on sale, but I don't have too much of it. Not nearly as much as the S&B and BB. But I've never had an issue with those in any of my 9MMs so... And I do go through a pretty hefty amount of it regularly.
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The way I see it, 💩 happens and it can happen anywhere with anything, so it is what it is. If anything, I am a little more aware and learned something new today.
I appreciate you all. 😊
 
belladonna said:
The way I see it, 💩 happens and it can happen anywhere with anything, so it is what it is. If anything, I am a little more aware and learned something new today.
I appreciate you all. 😊
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I’m gonna say this is ammo related, but these kind of jams are not uncommon with PDPs. There are numerous threads on the Walther forum about using aftermarket guide rods and lighter (15lb) recoil springs. The OEM guide rod is plastic and sprung with an 18lb recoil spring. I run a tungsten guide rod and 15 on spring from ZRTS in my comped PDP. Did this happen with the SK as well? My new VP9F jammed multiple times when I first took it out and I was running 124gt Blazer Brass, which I typically do not run because I have found it to be inconsistent in quality - despite what the cognoscenti may say. I am not the only person who feels this way. Anyway, I swapped to 124 gr NATO in the VP9F and it ran as expected. I would get hold is some NATO and see if the same thing happens in the PDP.

And of course the other option could be limp wristing. Just sayin’.
 
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