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Jelly Roll wants his rights restored, especially 2nd Amendment. What say you?

GPS said:
You’re what we need in this community, not a boot licker who’s all about tHe law! (If it were 200 years ago, he’d be defending slavery)
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Okay your done as far as I'm concerned. "boot licker" "calling others dumb because their opinions don't agree with yours and "Jim Crow" this that and everything, I for one don't need to hear it. I'll take my chances of living in an echo chamber.
 
I think the whole system needs reformation. Like Mark Wahlberg, those things happened decades ago, I think that should not be something that is held against them for life, if they have indeed changed their life. I think everything should be considered on a case by case basis. If you have done your time, paid your debt to society/victims, and have become a productive, law abiding member of society your Rights should be restored.

I also have a problem with someones Military Discharge being a a factor in whether you can own a firearm or not. Your discharge should have no bearing on anything in the civilian world, within reason. Yes, it should definitely be a consideration with you obtaining a government, Law Enforcement, or Security job. But as far as your 2nd Amendment Rights, it needs to be changed. You could have gotten a Dishonorable Discharge from the Military, changed your life, got a good career, become a productive and law abiding member of society, raised a family and provided for that family, donated your time to charitable causes, etc., yet still be denied your 2nd Amendment Right. This is total BS. And yet nobody ever talks about that.

Everything should be considered on a case by case basis.
 
PAGunGuy said:
I am 100% for this.
Actually, I'm for people not having their rights removed in the first place.
While you're in jail, of course, no weapons.
But once you're out, back to normal.
I MIGHT make a concession for folks on parole/probation as they are still serving their sentence, so they aren't actually free.
But once they're done, they're done.
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson

If you're free, you're free.

If someone is so dangerous that they can't be allowed in society without a firearm, then, they shouldn't be in society. We would never say, oh, you're a felon, well, now you lost your right to worship.
We have to stop allowing the 2A to be treated as a second class right.

Here's the thing. Bad guys are gonna be bad guys. People are doing to do what they are going to do becuase it's in their nature, not becuase of a law.

And, I am 100% opposite against what annihilator says. I too work around felons. I am a parole agent. I deal with felons daily. I know what they have done and what they are capable of. I go into their homes, mostly by myself.

I just processed the paperwork this week of one of ours, who was previously convicted of a gun charge, who was caught with a gun and drugs. Guess the laws and parole rules didn't matter to him, huh? Not the first time, and not now.

I am sorry, but I am a 2A absolutist. I won't say, I'm pro 2A, but....

Just my 2 cents. I know many will disagree and that's cool. But I stand where I stand.
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I appreciate your truthfulness on this, I agree you saw them differently then I did, I had a different perspective on them since I was working in the actual cell blocks, hearing what they say and what they do, and you were around them after they got out, totally different scenario for both of us, again I appreciate your truthfulness, this is how 2 people with different opinions can discuss a situation without name calling and such, this kind of discussion is appreciated
 
bc22wm said:
Okay your done as far as I'm concerned. "boot licker" "calling others dumb because their opinions don't agree with yours and "Jim Crow" this that and everything, I for one don't need to hear it. I'll take my chances of living in an echo chamber.
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Nah, screw anyone who stands against the constitution. The people obsessed with the law as it is are useful idiots when the democrats try to dismantle constitutional rights.
 
A big part of the problem is we turn the animals loose on the streets. People CAN change, BUT the dude that’s been arrested3,4, 10, 20 times is a problem child and should not be walking the streets with the rest of humanity. Somebody screws up once then straightens their life out is one thing-those that keep getting arrested time after time-completely different thing. Our “friend” whose the title of this discussion was (40 arrests) is obviously one of the later group. Sorry but I’ve got zero sympathy for him or his ilk. He’s darn lucky to even be alive and out on the streets.
 
GPS said:
You’re what we need in this community, not a boot licker who’s all about tHe law! (If it were 200 years ago, he’d be defending slavery)
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GPS said:
Nah, screw anyone who stands against the constitution. The people obsessed with the law as it is are useful idiots when the democrats try to dismantle constitutional rights.
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GPS said:
Nah, screw anyone who stands against the constitution. The people obsessed with the law as it is are useful idiots when the democrats try to dismantle constitutional rights.
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i really do not know if its standing against the constitution as much as so many of us are sick and tired of all the BS that goes on each and every day, with so many criminals "getting away with" many times, thanks in part to the judges...

which is why i'd LOVE to see ALL judges run for office, rather than be lifetime appointed. life time appointments, are forever as we all know, so...why work..??

elections for judges, well then, they had better EARN that bench each and EVERY trial........

the judges have guide lines set up by the lawmakers, and to me, many times it seems like the judges sway towards liencency more than punishment.

bring back all forms of the death penalty in ALL 50 US states, and US possessions.

forget this "crappola" it is cruel and unusual punishment, where i will repeat over and over again.....

wasn't it "cruel and unusual punishment the way(s) that the victims were assaulted, raped, killed...?????
 
I’m not sure electing judges will do much good. Look at the politicians some of these people elect. And keep voting them in cycle after cycle.

And there’s a difference between these judges letting people go scott free without any punishment and someone who has served their time and made objective changes in their life.

I’m not sure there’s an easy solution. If able to make decisions on a case by case basis, anti-gun judges will deny permission and pro-gun judges will approve permission. It will probably be a mess… I think it would need to be something objective. Like no convictions for 10 years after sentence, you get your rights back. Something like that.
 
Talyn said:
As far as I know there's never been hunting restrictions on felons using a bow.
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While on active Parole / Probation, the Parole / Probation Department and / or.individual P.O. have broad latitude to set conditions ,.as either broad policy , or individualized . ( Not typically for a bow , but could be .)

After completion of sentence, he's unquestionably good .


And if you don't like the restrictions on Parole / Probation, you have a choice !

You can decline Parole/ Probation, and instead opt to spend whole sentence locked up until max 'ed out .
 
Old_Me said:
i really do not know if its standing against the constitution as much as so many of us are sick and tired of all the BS that goes on each and every day, with so many criminals "getting away with" many times, thanks in part to the judges...

which is why i'd LOVE to see ALL judges run for office, rather than be lifetime appointed. life time appointments, are forever as we all know, so...why work..??

elections for judges, well then, they had better EARN that bench each and EVERY trial........

the judges have guide lines set up by the lawmakers, and to me, many times it seems like the judges sway towards liencency more than punishment.

bring back all forms of the death penalty in ALL 50 US states, and US possessions.

forget this "crappola" it is cruel and unusual punishment, where i will repeat over and over again.....

wasn't it "cruel and unusual punishment the way(s) that the victims were assaulted, raped, killed...?????
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I am so with you on the judges. And what frustrates me is the DAs and state judges that do run for election. If an idiot runs unopposed, guess who wins. I think if a DA or judge is running unopposed, there should be two boxes next to their name. One says "Keep" and the second says "DITCH"!
 
I would start with working on getting those face tatts removed, Post Malone is another face tattooed Punk that thinks country music is the road to redemption. With the cash they are banking you would think they would spend a little to reverse the freak show that they are.
 
Annihilator said:
Well, my thoughts are once a felon always a felon……I worked enough around them……some never change no matter what they say
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And that's a good lead in , for my thoughts on Felons .

Yes , a huge percentage of just quickly reoffend, aka Recidivist Dirtbags . ( And the parallel Junkies gonna Junkie ).

But some of them do turn around . Statistically if they make 7 -ish years after complete sentence ( including follow on supervision ) , the curve intersects that they are no more likely to offend again , as for the general public to offend for the first time .

Throw on some more margin of error and my starting point , talking point is if they make ten years clean afterwards, there should be a default path for Restoration.
 
The Night Rider said:
If I understand it right prior to the 1968 gun control Act a convicted felon parolee could buy a gun on his way home from prison.
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GCA68 For Federal Prohibition ( not withstanding my earlier post about restrictions during active Supervised Release ) .

Even before that , State Laws varied widely . Like they do today .

Several States have Automatic, or very easy Pardons after successfully completing totality of sentence including follow on . Several other States ( including mine ) , are More Restrictive than Federal .
 
Annihilator said:
I appreciate your truthfulness on this, I agree you saw them differently then I did, I had a different perspective on them since I was working in the actual cell blocks, hearing what they say and what they do, and you were around them after they got out, totally different scenario for both of us, again I appreciate your truthfulness, this is how 2 people with different opinions can discuss a situation without name calling and such, this kind of discussion is appreciated
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I have the utmost respect for my brothers behind the wall. I want nothing to do with working on the inside.

And to be clear, I am definitely not saying that these guys are all better once they get out. I'm also not saying there wouldn't be some danger in letting this happen.

I am just sayng that I will choose dangerous freedom everytime.

That's why I also believe that people should carry (and train) all the time. I think everyone should.

I truly believe in the whole "you are your own first responder".

In fact, I would go as far as to say that it is irresponsible to be carry and be prepared to defend yourself
 
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