Why would you have to explain your use or possession of carbiners in court ? That's ridiculous. It's a clip that holds things. It's not a weapon anymore than your keys or a roll of pennies is."My internet friend Bassbob has them on all his key sets, and also in emergency kits/bags in all his vehicles" isn't going to hold up well in court.
Actually I did. You are just for some reason located in some alternate universe where you would have to explain your possessing a carbiner as if it were a quarter ounce of heroin.Actually, he didn't. And where YOU live doesn't help ME much in coming up with a legal reason for having one on me.
So you can't see any use for a carbiner ? Maybe you have 12 keys. That's a lot of weight hanging of your ignition lock. So you hang just the ignition key on it's own ring, on a carbiner so you can take that one key off and still have all your other keys on you.You still haven't given me a reason why I'd have one on me. I don't use the things, never have, so I have no idea how they're used or what they're for. And you're not helping at all.
Good idea! Now give us a valid reason why you'd be walking around a typical American town/city with one of those in your pocket, if you don't rock-climb or camp or do anything "outdoorsy."
I'm not being a smartass here. I'm legitimately asking.
Now we're (finally) getting somewhere. You're actually giving me a couple ideas of something I could plausibly use a carabiner for. Your uses might not work for me, but you've set me on a path where I could come up with a plausible use of my own. Thanks!So you can't see any use for a carbiner ? Maybe you have 12 keys. That's a lot of weight hanging of your ignition lock. So you hang just the ignition key on it's own ring, on a carbiner so you can take that one key off and still have all your other keys on you.
Or here's one. My Freightliner has keys for all the bins and other keys for the locks that hold the bars that run down each side, locking all the bins on that side above and beyond the key'ed door locks. Then I also have a key for my tractor which is on the trailer and a key for the plastic rack. Plus the ignition key. When it's cold outside I start my truck so it is warm when I get inside, then I unlock all the bins and other things and get the material and equipment I need for the day. So I keep the ignition key on a separate key ring so I can take all my lock keys and leave the ignition key in the ignition. I hold all my key rings on a carbiner.
The bottom line is there are a million things a carbiner is useful for. The vast majority of them are not for climbing. In fact they state right on them, "Not rated for climbing". Just because you don't personally have a use for them doesn't mean a lot of other people don't. I don't need to validate my use of them. You don't either. You appear to be choosing to though.
A weapon, is a weapon, is a weapon.Now we're (finally) getting somewhere. You're actually giving me a couple ideas of something I could plausibly use a carabiner for. Your uses might not work for me, but you've set me on a path where I could come up with a plausible use of my own. Thanks!
It's not illegal for me to own a baseball bat or a claw hammer, or to use one as a self-defense weapon, but I don't play baseball or work in construction, so if I actually DID use one of those things as a defensive weapon, somewhere along the line, someone is going to ask me WHY I had such a thing out in public. Understand?
I actually use a USGI machete as a gardening tool. No problem using it as a weapon on my own property, but again, gonna cause me problems out "on the street." Maybe even in my car.
A 4-cell Maglite, I can explain. I'd like to be able to explain my possession of a carabiner as a common EDC pocket item, the way I do my Victorinox Adventurer or my Kubotan. Again, thanks for finally giving me some good ideas.
Humans are diabolically creative in fiinding ways to kill other humans. It all started with one guy with a rock.According to FBI stats more homicides are committed with...Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)1 (1 = Pushed is included in personal weapons) all = Body parts. And are strangled, drowning and asphyxiated; than if rifles, shotguns and other guns combined.
And ANTIFA prefers doing soccer kicks to the head.