MAC - Sig Breaks Silence
- Thread starter Talyn
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I have two, no problems with either one.
Both are just range shooting guns though.
Both are just range shooting guns though.
Bassbob
Emissary
My guess is it’s the same crap we’ve been hearing for years only now Sig is finally sick of it and agreed to change something or other without admitting any culpability.
In my opinion everyone who sued Sig should be forced to demonstrate the gun firing without the trigger being pulled or pay Sig’s legal fees.
Warrior9(Ret)
Professional
Good information for those who own one or are interested in getting one. I’m happy with my Echelon 
There’s lots of haters bashing the MAC video but I will say this. MAC was never bashful about putting SIG on blast when he had some lemon 365’s so for them to have him in and do an interview probably wasn’t an easy thing. But folks like to presume this or that persons in a patrol.
While some is user error the fact that a large percentage of cases involves the trigger getting pulled inside a holster the firearms company sort of has to wear that.
They have had a few cases of Glocks having it recently as Indianapolis PD had 2 cases. These were caused by the long handcuff keys that were small enough and king enough to manipulate the safe action trigger (dingus or whatever) that most other strikes have. That alone makes it very unlikely in striker fired cases but never say never! Just rare.
I’m not sure you can convince anyone to go without a WML so the new Safariland holster in the video seems to probably solve it if it is just a trigger issue.
Hopefully they fix it and regain some reputability but there are so many awesome striker fired options not sure if I’d go that route.
Glock M&P FN the Eschilon HK etc to name a few
While some is user error the fact that a large percentage of cases involves the trigger getting pulled inside a holster the firearms company sort of has to wear that.
They have had a few cases of Glocks having it recently as Indianapolis PD had 2 cases. These were caused by the long handcuff keys that were small enough and king enough to manipulate the safe action trigger (dingus or whatever) that most other strikes have. That alone makes it very unlikely in striker fired cases but never say never! Just rare.
I’m not sure you can convince anyone to go without a WML so the new Safariland holster in the video seems to probably solve it if it is just a trigger issue.
Hopefully they fix it and regain some reputability but there are so many awesome striker fired options not sure if I’d go that route.
Glock M&P FN the Eschilon HK etc to name a few
True, however I believe the issue with Sig and the 320 issue is they completely ignored any explanation as far as most gun folks are concerned .it also didn’t help when they basically called everyone the cause of it. When there’s video of hands not being on the weapon when several went off.
Talyn
SAINT
And..., it's not like "operator error" hasn't caused accidents to occur. Just saying...
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Warrior9(Ret)
Professional
Safest way to carry a P320 is?
Magazine in. No round in chamber?
Magazine in. No round in chamber?
Talyn
SAINT
Same as any striker-fire pistol if you want to be extra safe.
Warrior9(Ret)
Professional
Yep. It’s the best way to carry it.
Bassbob
Emissary
No it isn’t.
Warrior9(Ret)
Professional
I know. I’m just being sarcastic.
BET7
Ronin
The link below contains a video and article write up of what Phil Strader said in the video. It's a good summary of what Sig's position on this subject is and the things they did to the P320 pistol. I watched the entire video MN.Militia posted in another thread prior to this posted thread. Among other things, it stated other manufacturers also have similar safety disclaimers in their manuals about having no round chamber being one of the safest ways to carry their firearm (I'm sure manufacturers probably included this as per their legal departments requirements). The video I watched also had an included video within that showed the NJ police department incident where it can be seen that the officer next to the one whose P320 fired, had his keys slip down the holster and when the other officer arose, the pistol fired. The holster in question in this case and others, was a Safariland holsters that Safariland recently modified and showed off at Shot Show 2025. They added a flap to help close the gap caused by a P320 (or other pistol) with an attached light, making the gap much smaller. Interestingly, a recent case in Philadelphia (I live in Pa. where this was reported on), where Sig lost a lawsuit of a P320 discharging injuring the owner, had the injured owner testify that he indeed pulled the trigger himself. Sig is appealing the loss and is confident the verdict will be reversed. As for the bad timing of the military send the M17/M18 back to Sig while these lawsuits were all occurring, they were sent back to make slide modifications (reducing slide weight?) to make shooting the ammunition the military uses, potentially more accurate, and to change the pistol controls (safety, slide and mag release etc.) from FDE to black leaving the slide/frame in FDE color.
Here's the video/article below:
SIG Defends P320: 'It Cannot Fire Without a Trigger Pull'
Strader sat down for an extended on-camera interview with Military Arms Channel’s Tim Harmsen to address the controversy swirling around the P320.
Warrior9(Ret)
Professional
****Disclaimer. These are my feelings. If they rub you the wrong way please remember that no matter how hard you try to convince me otherwise, I’m sticking to my opinion***The link below contains a video and article write up of what Phil Strader said in the video. It's a good summary of what Sig's position on this subject is and the things they did to the P320 pistol. I watched the entire video MN.Militia posted in another thread prior to this posted thread. Among other things, it stated other manufacturers also have similar safety disclaimers in their manuals about having no round chamber being one of the safest ways to carry their firearm (I'm sure manufacturers probably included this as per their legal departments requirements). The video I watched also had an included video within that showed the NJ police department incident where it can be seen that the officer next to the one whose P320 fired, had his keys slip down the holster and when the other officer arose, the pistol fired. The holster in question in this case and others, was a Safariland holsters that Safariland recently modified and showed off at Shot Show 2025. They added a flap to help close the gap caused by a P320 (or other pistol) with an attached light, making the gap much smaller. Interestingly, a recent case in Philadelphia (I live in Pa. where this was reported on), where Sig lost a lawsuit of a P320 discharging injuring the owner, had the injured owner testify that he indeed pulled the trigger himself. Sig is appealing the loss and is confident the verdict will be reversed. As for the bad timing of the military send the M17/M18 back to Sig while these lawsuits were all occurring, they were sent back to make slide modifications (reducing slide weight?) to make shooting the ammunition the military uses, potentially more accurate, and to change the pistol controls (safety, slide and mag release etc.) from FDE to black leaving the slide/frame in FDE color.
Here's the video/article below:
SIG Defends P320: 'It Cannot Fire Without a Trigger Pull'
Strader sat down for an extended on-camera interview with Military Arms Channel’s Tim Harmsen to address the controversy swirling around the P320.gunsamerica.com
I don’t own one. I don’t plan to own one. If I was offered one free of charge with unlimited ammo I’d turn down the offer.