More magazine capacity

[Retired Bum]

The information I posted was from the Internet and allegedly reported by the military. My BIL was in logistics during the first sandbox fighting in Iraq, reported higher consumption than Vietnam. Military sources claim the ratio was nearly 250k per casualty in the sandbox battles. What is the truth? I dunno.....

 

[1canvas]

The information I posted was from the Internet and allegedly reported by the military. My BIL was in logistics during the first sandbox fighting in Iraq, reported higher consumption than Vietnam. Military sources claim the ratio was nearly 250k per casualty in the sandbox battles. What is the truth? I dunno.....

It’s just hard to imagine that no one gets hit while 250,000 rounds are coming down range at them , I mean it would be raining bullets.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Do not shoot the monitor until you're sure the background is clear.

I always put them against my gravel pile , before l perform ballistic testing on electronic devices .

 

[HayesGreener]

It’s just hard to imagine that no one gets hit while 250,000 rounds are coming down range at them , I mean it would be raining bullets.

The total number of rounds expended is misleading. Accounting for training ammo, ammo given to allies, ammo expended in recon by fire, ammo fired from miniguns, only a small percentage of the total is fired by troops in contact with the enemy.

 

[Retired Bum]

How it was calculated and totaled is not mentioned. Nor is what was included i.e. training, or anything else.

How I interpret the information, is troops apparently can't shoot and our training is lacking and getting worse. Or. The adversaries are adapting to our methods and we aren't adaptive to them.

I don't know which is the case, but I am very well aware that cops have too think like criminals in order to catch them.

 

[bc22wm]

I suspect that some egg head took the number of all small arms ammo sent to Vietnam, divided it by the number of confirmed kills and ended up with X number of rounds for Y number of kills. He likely got paid handsomely/promoted and the DOD budget kept growing. Not against spending tax $ on defense or our soldiers but spending tax $ on B.S. "studies" rubs my fur the wrong way.

 

[Biggfoot44]

50k, nope.

Did some searching , and the typical range of estimates is 45K - 50K , with one of up to 250K.

For Context , WWII was 100K .

For further context , close range volley fire in muzzleloader era , was 60 - 70 ( actual 2 digit numbers ) .

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[Biggfoot44]

How I interpret the information, is troops apparently can't shoot and our training is lacking and getting worse.

Individual marksmanship skills are *an* issue , but far from a big one .

Most small arms rounds are Not used for a specific shooter to hit a specific enemy .

Supressive fire , area denial fire , firing on vehicles , aircraft , enemy cover , material things generally .

Added - In these such numbers , the criteria is *per kill * . Hit , but ultimately not fatal , is much larger number , and frequently removes the opponent from the fight at the time , and can tie up opponent resources in treating and evacuating them .

 

[LoneGunman]

The information I posted was from the Internet and allegedly reported by the military. My BIL was in logistics during the first sandbox fighting in Iraq, reported higher consumption than Vietnam. Military sources claim the ratio was nearly 250k per casualty in the sandbox battles. What is the truth? I dunno.....

The total number of rounds expended is misleading. Accounting for training ammo, ammo given to allies, ammo expended in recon by fire, ammo fired from miniguns, only a small percentage of the total is fired by troops in contact with the enemy.

How it was calculated and totaled is not mentioned. Nor is what was included i.e. training, or anything else.

How I interpret the information, is troops apparently can't shoot and our training is lacking and getting worse. Or. The adversaries are adapting to our methods and we aren't adaptive to them.

I don't know which is the case, but I am very well aware that cops have too think like criminals in order to catch them.

This smacks of overbilling. Literally impossible. Quarter of a million rounds for one kill. LOL no.

 

[Retired Bum]

This smacks of overbilling. Literally impossible. Quarter of a million rounds for one kill. LOL no.

Then what is the accurate count?
This is the information found, if you have something different, please share your information and citations.

It may very well be over billing, but with the limited amount of information given, how are the American people supposed to know or learn the truth?

 

[The Night Rider]

Places NOT to live are NYC, LA, Chicago, SF and Miami.

That's good advice period.

 

[LoneGunman]

Then what is the accurate count?
This is the information found, if you have something different, please share your information and citations.

It may very well be over billing, but with the limited amount of information given, how are the American people supposed to know or learn the truth?

Come on bro. A quarter of a million rounds for just one kill. Say that out loud. That alone should not pass the smell test, is all I'm saying. And to your point there is no real evidence that that ratio is true or even the kernel of the statement is true.

It is estimated the US killed a million iraqis. Are you suggesting the US made, issued and expended a quarter of a billion rounds during Iraq alone?

And the "training" number "omitted." No. Absolutely not. Training, and qualifying range days, the ammunition is highly watched and accounted for. Each company is given a predetermined number of rounds. If the rounds are not used they are counted, recorded and put back into circulation. Each round is carefully accounted for to prevent "accidents, which is a big concern within the military.

No one wants to explain to Susy Creamcheese that her little Johnny was self or other deleted because he was hated or insufferable.

 

[HayesGreener]

Yeah and we gave many millions of rounds to our allies as well.

 

[Retired Bum]

Yeah and we gave many millions of rounds to our allies as well.

Bingo

 

[Shibadog]

Come on bro. A quarter of a million rounds for just one kill. Say that out loud. That alone should not pass the smell test, is all I'm saying. And to your point there is no real evidence that that ratio is true or even the kernel of the statement is true.

It is estimated the US killed a million iraqis. Are you suggesting the US made, issued and expended a quarter of a billion rounds during Iraq alone?

And the "training" number "omitted." No. Absolutely not. Training, and qualifying range days, the ammunition is highly watched and accounted for. Each company is given a predetermined number of rounds. If the rounds are not used they are counted, recorded and put back into circulation. Each round is carefully accounted for to prevent "accidents, which is a big concern within the military.

No one wants to explain to Susy Creamcheese that her little Johnny was self or other deleted because he was hated or insufferable.

Just remember though that rifles only kill a small percentage of troops-bombs and artillery are the big killers. Rifles, especially in recent combat, are primarily used by US to “pin”. Goblins so air or arty can blow the hell out of ‘em.