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My basic requirements for my 1911s...

Anchorsaweigh

Anchorsaweigh

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I have friends who love the 1911 that think I'm crazy for limiting myself. But here are my absolute requirements for a 1911:

1. NO FIRING PIN SAFETY
2. Internal extractor
3. Forged frame and slide

All three must be met for me to even LOOK at one, let alone consider for purchase. We all have our likes and dislikes. What are yours?

Cheers

Bob
 
Anchorsaweigh said:
I have friends who love the 1911 that think I'm crazy for limiting myself. But here are my absolute requirements for a 1911:

1. NO FIRING PIN SAFETY
2. Internal extractor
3. Forged frame and slide

All three must be met for me to even LOOK at one, let alone consider for purchase. We all have our likes and dislikes. What are yours?

Cheers

Bob
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Agree, don’t care for external extractors, forged all the way.
 
I do enjoy my SA 1911's, but i just don't get the Cerakote finish. It is nothing more than thick paint. Shows holster wear, dings at ejection port and any other unplanned bump or scrape.
So I would agree with your must haves but add DLC or TIN finish. Even Parkerized would be better than SA's cerakote finish. As an edit I would add No aluminum anything.
 
I would not turn down a S&W 1911 - on account of the external extractor. If anyone has mastered that, they have.

If you have an internal extractor and it breaks, your 1911 is out of action until a new one is staked. External can be replaced much easier and tuned much faster.

Ever notice that all the polymer pistols have external extractors?
Must be something to the design.

As far as frames, I love my LW (aluminum) Commander. What a joy to carry.

The frame issue is overblown thanks to interweb rumors.
Much like MIM parts.
 
I would not own any S&W produced in the last 10 years. As far as striker fired guns go, if that is your thing,rock on. Modern day mim parts are not an issue on light duty firearms as far as I can tell.
just because the box says 1911 does not make it so.
1911 handguns do not have external extractors.
 
I've owned two Sig 1911s, both were external extractor models, they worked flawlessly, and didn't have to be tuned. That being said, every other 1911 type automatic I've owned has had an internal extractor as per JMB, and I've never (knock on wood) had extraction or ejection issues.
Biggest problem I've run into has been internal geometry of the frame for fitting of aftermarket parts.
But that's a whole other story......
 
I'll buy most any 1911 I like. The only real requirement is decent sights.
I've never been much for a bunch of fancy do-dads or extended this or that. Just a good basic pistol works for me.
However, far too often I end up changing 3 things.
1. Long trigger. Just fits me better.
2. Arched mainspring housing. Why does everybody use flat MSHs these days? 🤬
3. Grips. Too many are too sharply checked or overly aggressive for my tastes.
 
Anchorsaweigh said:
I don't disagree, but it doesn't work in my mind. Ruger makes a fine 1911 and has done for years; hell, I even owned one. But the cast frame thing was just constant distraction in my head.
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as well as the plunger tube not being removable......i loved mine too, but i let it go.

also, i always try to buy a series 70 over the (safety_ series 80...however, my Sig STX, is a series 80, but its a keeper.

and also too, i DO NOT want any "Bull Barrel" 1911...

had one of those in the S/A Emissary.........dumped it after a few months
 
External extractors ar like fuel injection in Norse ten cars. They do work with little issues.

On guns they work just fine (Glock, Sig S&W M&P etc)
But I get the purists like the original (like some like classic cars and know how to adjust a choke and carburetor)

Cast frames I would have to say I don’t prefers them as I shoot my guns however for 90% of gun owners that don’t go to the range with that particular gun cast frames will not keep up with higher volume shooters.

That said the Rugers are night and day above a Rock Island 1911 frame
 
Forged parts are good. I own several 1911's with external extractors and firing pin safeties, they do not offend me. I have replaced and/or tuned extractors on my Colt 1911's, it seems the external extractors are just easier to work on. I am a traditionalist to a point, but some modern improvements like rails, beavertails, memory bumps, extractors, and internal firing pin safeties just make a lot of sense.
 
My requirements are hard to pin down; it kinda depends on what I want it for…
But generally I agree with OP Bob’s.

External extractor is 3 parts instead of one (extractor, spring and pin). Same for firing pin block/safety.
For both of the above, I see no real advantage to be had.
Side note: I *might* add No ambi safety, for me personally.

Also agree about forged frame & slide.
I’d prefer no MIM parts at all , but I’ll say this: if MIM had been around in WW2, I bet we’d have been using it in the 1911 just for production purposes and probably never known the difference. All wartime weapons are the result of trade-offs and cost/benefits decisions.
 
Reading some of these responses got me to really ponder the OP. So he’s got some personal design parameters. That’s fine. To each their own.

I think the thing to consider is that carry guns, which is what we’re mostly talking about on this forum, versus range and recreational toys are simply tools.

I chuckle when I read that guys get extremely wrapped up in saying that they refuse to carry X because they don't like the looks, it’s got this or that feature, it’s got MIM, it’s cast, it does not fit their hands or whatever the excuse of the day is.

I have used Sig P series, HKs, Glocks, etc, and it each case, I simply trained with the tool until I was at a level of proficiency, put it in my holster and did my thing.

I’ve never heard or read where someone said "Yeah I decided to quit the ______ teams because the Beretta/Glock/1911 is ugly, does not fit my hand and has ______ wrong with it."

It is a tool, designed to carry out a particular function. Train with it. If it works well, then use it. Simple as that.
 
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