Pistols, PDWs, and SMGs
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PieterCoetzee
Professional
Nothing wrong with that. Its a great example of a 21st century GoToWar size SMG. Whats your reasoning for the muzzle device? It looks cool but adds length....
PieterCoetzee
Professional
I love the U.N.C.L.E. Special; but if you look close, youll see it has no front sight. They cut down P1s but never replaced the front sight. Fun Fact: when they made the prop for the TV show, they made the guns FULL AUTO without getting ATF permission. They ended up paying a healthy fine. Oooops
When Robert Culp played Kelly Robinson in the TV show I Spy, he requested a special gun. Culp was a shooter. They modified a Walther P1 by shortening the barrel but keeping the frontsight. Both UNCLE and I Spy predated the Walther P38K (real life imitating Hollywood?)
When Robert Culp played Kelly Robinson in the TV show I Spy, he requested a special gun. Culp was a shooter. They modified a Walther P1 by shortening the barrel but keeping the frontsight. Both UNCLE and I Spy predated the Walther P38K (real life imitating Hollywood?)
KillerFord1977
Emissary
One can put a mp5k in a shoulder rig. Smaller Backpack is super easy.
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Yep. Ive got a similar rig for my "K". Its another one of those "do-able" things. I needed to have a suit fitted for it. You should have seen the tailor when I pulled that out! I had told him I need the suit for work and it had to fit when I was wearing a vest and my shoulder holster. I guess I should have mentioned which holster.
Its not something you wanna wear if youre moving around a lot. Its heavy but it always feels like its flopping around. Its not but when you get that much mass moving--it moves
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Adding a stock to a pistol makes it a NFA item right? NOT EXACTLY Only if the stock is "permanently" attached BUT what if it falls away when you release your grip? Then its NOT a SBR
Your pistol (fits most) fits in the "C" shaped cup on the brace. It provides a stable platform BUT falls away when you release your grip, so NO NFA worries
Your pistol (fits most) fits in the "C" shaped cup on the brace. It provides a stable platform BUT falls away when you release your grip, so NO NFA worries
ex13F
Custom
My example of covert operations is getting into the pastries without my wife catching me so all the discussion of "Go To War" is out of my physical and age limitations now days. The muzzle device is simply a blast can to redirect the blast away from my wife who is the primary user of the Stribog. My days of hoppin' and poppin' are in my rearview mirror.
Belt Fed
Emissary
You sho gots some purdy legs Mr. coetzee
OldGrunt
Hellcat
Careful, you'll give him a big head!
PieterCoetzee
Professional
I think theres a place for them (at least for me). Its a LOCATION thing. Im in a suburban area so mostly any ranges are limited, should there be "Troubles in the Streets". A SMG (semi) is easier to "carry" concealed than a full size rifle. Its also easier to maneuver in confined spaces of say a vehicle.
PieterCoetzee
Professional
I guess I didnt explain well enough. The chassis in your picture has a brace BUT if it had a stock that chassis would be considered "permanently" attached. The item I showed when discussing "permanently" attached is only held in place by the shooters grip. When you release the grip it falls away. The CAA chassis is definitely attached
Im NOT a fan of the CAA chassis. It seems overly bulky for whet it does. The same pistol can be mounted in the Recover 2020 chassis and be carried in a holster. YMMV
Talyn
Emissary
The pistol can be released from the CAA chassis in a matter of seconds, so it's not permanently attached.
And CAA offers a NFA stock option for them, even though the pistol is still "not" permanently attached.
CAA also has various generations with the EVO being the slimmest.
I don't consider the "fall away" stock set-up a PDW nor SMG as per the title of this thread, but the CAA chassis is in the same category as the other examples posted here.
It works fine for my Glocks and makes them more useable.
Variety is the spice of life.
And CAA offers a NFA stock option for them, even though the pistol is still "not" permanently attached.
CAA also has various generations with the EVO being the slimmest.
I don't consider the "fall away" stock set-up a PDW nor SMG as per the title of this thread, but the CAA chassis is in the same category as the other examples posted here.
It works fine for my Glocks and makes them more useable.
Variety is the spice of life.
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PieterCoetzee
Professional
Im not being clear. ATF considers it permanent IF its attached anyway that it doesnt fall off. Im not sure but this may even include being held in place by a magnet???
Yes they have ones with a stock and ones with a brace, like the one in your picture
Honestly neither do I but I posted the picture of the "fall away" as an option for some who might see virtue in having a "Not a Stock". Its slow to get into position; but once held in place, its pretty steady
Agreed it is a working example of a chassis brace. I know lots of guys like them and they are competitively priced, especially when compared to the FLUX/Sig set up
As you say variety is the spice
dadoser
Master Class
I'm not too concerned with the protests occurring in the country over the past 10 years - 1 - the current round seems pretty peaceful (agree with them or not) and are realistically filled with boomers ( my age or older); 2 - I'm not planning to head toward ANY protest with the potential for violence, or going to one at night. HOWEVER, I'm not trying to be dismissive if that is one's concern.
If things get really bad and violence heads toward my residence, where weight and size are lesser concerns - I have a few great non-handgun options available.
Now regarding the PDW and sub guns -
I had a Sub 2K 2gen and ready liked it. However, I had other firearms that filled that 9mm PCC niche I was shooting more. I sold the Sub 2k. I've handled a few flux type options and I'm not really into them. I get the concept - maybe just not for me - (yet????)
These are my current most compact 9mm (non-handguns) I own for a Sub gun/PDW and I have the suppressor option on both with a tri-lug mount. AP5-P and a modified Angstadt Arms UDP-9. Both are legal form 1 SBRs and both currently have binary triggers. (Also have an AP5 not pictured.)
(Planning to take the binary trigger out of the UDP-9. I think it is kind of not necessary. I've also got a roller delayed buffer system in it and may go back to regular buffer system. This my next experimental project.)
If things get really bad and violence heads toward my residence, where weight and size are lesser concerns - I have a few great non-handgun options available.
Now regarding the PDW and sub guns -
I had a Sub 2K 2gen and ready liked it. However, I had other firearms that filled that 9mm PCC niche I was shooting more. I sold the Sub 2k. I've handled a few flux type options and I'm not really into them. I get the concept - maybe just not for me - (yet????)
These are my current most compact 9mm (non-handguns) I own for a Sub gun/PDW and I have the suppressor option on both with a tri-lug mount. AP5-P and a modified Angstadt Arms UDP-9. Both are legal form 1 SBRs and both currently have binary triggers. (Also have an AP5 not pictured.)
(Planning to take the binary trigger out of the UDP-9. I think it is kind of not necessary. I've also got a roller delayed buffer system in it and may go back to regular buffer system. This my next experimental project.)
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dadoser
Master Class
Forgot to mention -I'm not too concerned with the protests occurring in the country over the past 10 years - 1 - the current round seems pretty peaceful (agree with them or not) and are realistically filled with boomers ( my age or older); 2 - I'm not planning to head toward ANY protest with the potential for violence, or going to one at night. HOWEVER, I'm not trying to be dismissive if that is one's concern.
If things get really bad and violence heads toward my residence, where weight and size are lesser concerns - I have a few great non-handgun options available.
Now regarding the PDW and sub guns -
I had a Sub 2K 2gen and ready liked it. However, I had other firearms that filled that 9mm PCC niche I was shooting more. I sold the Sub 2k. I've handled a few flux type options and I'm not really into them. I get the concept - maybe just not for me - (yet????)
These are my current most compact 9mm (non-handguns) I own for a Sub gun/PDW and I have the suppressor option on both with a tri-lug mount. AP5-P and a modified Angstadt Arms UDP-9. Both are legal form 1 SBRs and both currently have binary triggers. (Also have an AP5 not pictured.)
(Planning to take the binary trigger out of the UDP-9. I think it is kind of not necessary. I've also got a roller delayed buffer system in it and may go back to regular buffer system. This my next experimental project.)
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I originally had the Choate folding stock on the AP5-P for that classic look/configuration. However, it was long and bulky. Switched of to a rail mounted folder (Cheap Amazon version for $80??) and love it on this firearm. Very sleek and serves the purpose of stabilization. Also, does not get in the way of firing when folded. No regrets going this stock route.
MiataMinded
Elite
I have mostly carried my Kuna brace-less on a single point sling tucked up under my arm. I can then throw a loose button up shirt or jacket on top and walk my dog or go for a drive. I've even gone to the grocery store a couple times with it up under my armpit and not gotten a single weird look and I'm not even that big of a person.
And it's super easy to rotate out from concealment and go to work all while being very securely attached to my body so I can't drop it. I'm a huge fan. Couple of extra kuna mags in my pocket and my Bodyguard 2.0 as a backup and I can easily have 100+ rounds on person without anyone being the wiser.
And it's super easy to rotate out from concealment and go to work all while being very securely attached to my body so I can't drop it. I'm a huge fan. Couple of extra kuna mags in my pocket and my Bodyguard 2.0 as a backup and I can easily have 100+ rounds on person without anyone being the wiser.
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