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Power vs capacity

If your use of deadly force is legally justified, caliber is not going to be an issue. If legally questionable, unusual calibers can become a hook for a prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney to latch onto as an aggravating factor.

However, Florida statute 790.31 does prohibit certain types of ammo, like exploding bullets, armor piercing, or flechette rounds.

Chapter 790 Section 31 - 2022 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate https://share.google/f3FpX1DofRWvvXvHx

In Florida and some of the other free states, if your use of force is justifiable you cannot be charged or sued.

I recommend Critical Duty from Hornady because it is a commonly used caliber developed and tested to FBI standards and is certainly potent enough for gators and two legged varmints. Even so, shot placement is still king.

But stop walking your dog next to bodies of fresh water in Florida that contain gators, it's like ringing a dinner bell for them.
 
cooper357 said:
I carry 357 magnum revolvers of different sizes and use different grains for what in doing. Example ill use speer short barrel 135 grain or hornady 125 grain flex tip in my m and p 340 amd ill go all the way up to 180 grain hard cast in my 686 plus when im around big gators here in florida. My issue is the fact that if youre a good guy and and an armed bad guy has to be dealt with, it doesnt matter what caliber you use if you get the wrong prosecutor hes going to spin it like youre the bad guy! If you carry 9mm and shoot the bad guy 5 or 6 times its too many shots ,if youre me and hit him twice in the center mass it's the caliber I used. What if im walking my 20 pound dog near a water area and I bring my 180 grain hardcast just in case and the gators stay away but a psycho human comes outta nowhere and tries to rob me with a knife and I shoot him. Now im screwed for the ammo I had in my gun for gators instead of the focus being on the fact that this pos tried to rob me.
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Read up on laws of your state. Whether traffic or firearms
Know them.

Relax, you’re not in CT anymore.
Het that CT hogwash, brainwash, liberal mindset out of the brain 😉
 
if you want the answer to power over capacity just ask @Belt Fed .......name alone should answer ya :whistle: 🥳

i'm a power with capacity person, so i'll take #3 for a thousand alex

either 18 rounds of 357sig, 18 rounds of 10mm or 8 rounds of 50ae...........na, not enough rounds even though the iron sights are spot on @ 100 yards for easy headshots
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Yeah I think maybe youve listen to too many YouTube videos and Shooting Insurance companies. The States Attorney doesnt get the file if you are listed as a VICTIM in the police report. Id suggest you learn how to articulate and should a shooting be necessary, explain why you had to shoot. Dont wait for you attorney...bad guys want an attorney.

Tell the officer what happened, make him understand that YOU are the victim, not the guy with MAGNUM holes leaking on the sidewalk or the guy with a mag full of 9mm holes.
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Not exactly true in all states, especially CA. Most agencies complete their investigations with a phrase similar to RECOMMENDATIONS: Submit to District Attorney for review and considerations in filing of appropriate charges. This gets the monkey of of the back of the investigating agency and places it on the prosecution's office. Remember, Sheriff's are elected and Chief's are appointed by City Council's. In almost all self defense cases, the political thermometer of the community at large is read as the investigation moves through the process. The management goal is to get the case to the prosecutor ASAP. The detective goal is to gather the evidence to support his/her opinions and investigatory conclusions.

My agency had a Monday morning case briefing for all major cases. The detectives line up outside of the detective command staff office, and have a few minutes to provide case updates. In these briefings, command staff outlines expectations related to filing deadlines, etc. In other word, the initial on-scene officers are a small part of the incident. These types of events are reviewed at detective unit supervisor, detective commanding officer, station commanding officer and then Super Chief level. Sure, it is nice for the on-scene folks to understand what transpired but their opinions are but a small part of the journey that the event will travel down.
 
ECS686 said:
Respectfully short of using tracer flame whatever that burst a guy into flames what caliber you choose is of no relevance. That’s an old outdated tale. (And the case woth 10mm in AZ woth the guy named Fish was not about the 10mm it was the statement of Fish didn’t jive with other folks that heard the shots and the time it was called in.)

We had this discussion on number of rounds in the thread about the Texas Dad and the car jacker

Bottom line as long as you can articulate the perp was still a threat. If he is on the ground and not reacting it’s best not to put one in his head!

As far as ammo if your out hunting or hiking and have 180 grains it’s not gonna make shootjng a person any more serious. And it won’t give the prosecutor an in to charge you if all things pointed it was justified then it was justified.

No different than a Hunter getting attacked and using his handgun or even rifle loaded with hunting rounds!
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Agreed
 
Pat-R said:
Not exactly true in all states, especially CA. Most agencies complete their investigations with a phrase similar to RECOMMENDATIONS: Submit to District Attorney for review and considerations in filing of appropriate charges. This gets the monkey of of the back of the investigating agency and places it on the prosecution's office. Remember, Sheriff's are elected and Chief's are appointed by City Council's. In almost all self defense cases, the political thermometer of the community at large is read as the investigation moves through the process. The management goal is to get the case to the prosecutor ASAP. The detective goal is to gather the evidence to support his/her opinions and investigatory conclusions.

My agency had a Monday morning case briefing for all major cases. The detectives line up outside of the detective command staff office, and have a few minutes to provide case updates. In these briefings, command staff outlines expectations related to filing deadlines, etc. In other word, the initial on-scene officers are a small part of the incident. These types of events are reviewed at detective unit supervisor, detective commanding officer, station commanding officer and then Super Chief level. Sure, it is nice for the on-scene folks to understand what transpired but their opinions are but a small part of the journey that the event will travel down.
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All the more reasons to have articulated the incident to show that you are the VICTIM. Sure politics may come into play but no States Atty will take a case where the PD says he was the VICTIM. Just imagine defense putting the officers in front of a jury and having them say he was the victim.
 
cooper357 said:
I carry 357 magnum revolvers of different sizes and use different grains for what in doing. Example ill use speer short barrel 135 grain or hornady 125 grain flex tip in my m and p 340 amd ill go all the way up to 180 grain hard cast in my 686 plus when im around big gators here in florida. My issue is the fact that if youre a good guy and and an armed bad guy has to be dealt with, it doesnt matter what caliber you use if you get the wrong prosecutor hes going to spin it like youre the bad guy! If you carry 9mm and shoot the bad guy 5 or 6 times its too many shots ,if youre me and hit him twice in the center mass it's the caliber I used. What if im walking my 20 pound dog near a water area and I bring my 180 grain hardcast just in case and the gators stay away but a psycho human comes outta nowhere and tries to rob me with a knife and I shoot him. Now im screwed for the ammo I had in my gun for gators instead of the focus being on the fact that this pos tried to rob me.
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Welcome to the forum from South Texas.
 
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