SigP320 Safety Problems Continue – Resulting In Bans from Police Training Ranges!
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MN.Militia
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This is the most unbiased, I-have-no-horse-in-this-race take I've seen yet. A VERY fair review. If I see more vids like this, I'll post them for the public benefit.
What the heck is going on with the Sig P320?
What the heck is going on with the Sig P320?
Talyn
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I have no dog in the P320 hunt/controversy since I don;t have or will have one because I have my preferred handguns.
But what I do know is that unless these YouTube knuckleheads, who make vids for click bait, testify in court that the pistol is defective then it's all "green house cases" out the exit-end of the human body.
And humans like to pile on to something when they see the opportunity.
So, the cover pics in those two You Tube links tell the whole story for me.
My. 02
But what I do know is that unless these YouTube knuckleheads, who make vids for click bait, testify in court that the pistol is defective then it's all "green house cases" out the exit-end of the human body.
And humans like to pile on to something when they see the opportunity.
So, the cover pics in those two You Tube links tell the whole story for me.
My. 02
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MN.Militia
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I read the title & LOL'ed. This guy's right... the gun isn't the problem, it's the corporate arrogance and PR-deaf media team.
You are Anti-Gun if You Question the SIG P320
"Have you noticed problems with a Sig P320 or Sig P365? Then you are an anti-gun, clickbait farming, engagement hacking grifter who is jealous of the best gun in history." Sig has a new problem... and this time it's PR.
You are Anti-Gun if You Question the SIG P320
"Have you noticed problems with a Sig P320 or Sig P365? Then you are an anti-gun, clickbait farming, engagement hacking grifter who is jealous of the best gun in history." Sig has a new problem... and this time it's PR.
Talyn
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The only gun-related stuff I watch on YouTube is MAC, BHSS and Garandthumb. Uses to watch Hickcock but he got too boring. The rest of the gun-related YouTubers are click bait as far as I care.
Besides that stuff the only stuff on YouTube worth watching are car races, a couple old movies & music vids.
My .02
Besides that stuff the only stuff on YouTube worth watching are car races, a couple old movies & music vids.
My .02
Bassbob
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I like Taofledermaus. And OG’s Danger Show.
KillerFord1977
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Is there an instance where the P320 went off by itself when:
- it was not in a holster?
- it was not in another carrying object such as a bag or other?
I dont know the answer, but if memory serves correct, every instance has involved when it was in a holster or bag
- it was not in a holster?
- it was not in another carrying object such as a bag or other?
I dont know the answer, but if memory serves correct, every instance has involved when it was in a holster or bag
Annihilator
Hellion
Yes, also hate to say this but it’s mostly law enforcement personnel……training….period….
Bassbob
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Furthermore, it’s primarily female law enforcement.
KillerFord1977
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Interesting article on the Glock from 10 yrs ago and negligent discharge.
“In terms of mechanical design, there are few flaws with Glock pistols. If a law enforcement officer, soldier or citizen does exactly what they are supposed to do all of the time with cyborg certainty, there will be no problems with the Glock or other popular pistols mimicking its basic design. Unfortunately, “RoboCop” is only a movie, and humans are liable to make similar mistakes over and over again.“
www.latimes.com
“In terms of mechanical design, there are few flaws with Glock pistols. If a law enforcement officer, soldier or citizen does exactly what they are supposed to do all of the time with cyborg certainty, there will be no problems with the Glock or other popular pistols mimicking its basic design. Unfortunately, “RoboCop” is only a movie, and humans are liable to make similar mistakes over and over again.“
Op-Ed: Why the police shouldn't use Glocks
Timothy Stansbury died in a New York housing project stairwell in 2004 because he startled a police officer.
www.latimes.com
Bassbob
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Cyborg certainty is required to KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER ?Interesting article on the Glock from 10 yrs ago and negligent discharge.
“In terms of mechanical design, there are few flaws with Glock pistols. If a law enforcement officer, soldier or citizen does exactly what they are supposed to do all of the time with cyborg certainty, there will be no problems with the Glock or other popular pistols mimicking its basic design. Unfortunately, “RoboCop” is only a movie, and humans are liable to make similar mistakes over and over again.“
Op-Ed: Why the police shouldn't use Glocks
Timothy Stansbury died in a New York housing project stairwell in 2004 because he startled a police officer.
I guess these people think that as long as there’s a manual safety it’s ok to have your finger on the trigger when you’re not actively firing the weapon ?
It’s not a gun issue. It’s a human issue. A dumb human issue.
MN.Militia
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Holy Sheet, even Johnny B is calling SIG a bunch of liars!
SIG SAUER CRAPS THE BED (AGAIN)
SIG SAUER CRAPS THE BED (AGAIN)
MN.Militia
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Same here!! Always a good video.
MN.Militia
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Lab4Us
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I’m not sure I’ve ever weighed into the P320 debate on this board (as I have at SigTalk and GlockTalk), but my position is this.
1. The P320 is (and has been) getting an unusual number of uncommanded discharge reports compared to other gun manufacturers (and even other Sig models). If it’s not the gun, does that mean that those that buy and use Sig P320s are significantly more unsafe than those that buy and use other brands?
2. If this were simply a social medial phenomena, there should be guns of all manufacturers being reported in close to equal measure for uncommanded discharges, all across social media.
3. There are those that inevitably will go to “whataboutism” and the Glocks of the 1980s/90s, completely ignoring the fact that LEOs were moving from hammer fired revolvers to striker fired automatics that work very differently…10 lb heavier trigger in revolvers notwithstanding.
4. Personally, I saw enough of this debacle to follow the adage “where there’s smoke, there’s probably fire”. That, and Sig’s continual poor responses in belittling anyone who mentioned the issue resulted in my dumping a P320 X-Carry, 2 P320 Compacts, and 4 P365s of various styles. Never had an issue with any of them, carried the P365s a lot, it was a matter of principle “for me” based on Sigs response to the whole mess. Won’t own another until they (Sig) figure out how to be professional. Too many better guns out there for similar or less money.
5. I do agree that some of the alleged uncommanded discharges likely were safety problems. But again…why is it always Sig?
6. Don’t know who’s right in their assessment of what’s up with the P320, but there are legitimate theorems that speak to the “laws of averages” that indicate there should be an explanation for “why is it always a Sig P320?”
7. There are tons of examples where gun owners have had significant problems with “their” sample of a gun. Most of us admit it is possible for a gun to escape manufacturer QC and be less than operational. I personally had to send a Guardian back to Dan Wesson to have the ramp recut and for them to insert the proper link. It is very conceivable to me that Sig could be missing things at QC concerning some examples of P320s that do NOT affect every P320 ever released.
8. I also believe, at least in the LEO uncommanded discharges reports, that it possibly goes to said LEO carrying a duty P320 continually, never removing it from the holster, taking their belt off and on daily at home (here, I’m assuming LEO is allowed to take duty weapon home), yet never removing magazine, unloading gun, and never resetting “fully charged” striker as it slowly moves toward release from constant bumps over days/months. Eventually, a very minor bump releases striker, resulting in uncommanded discharge. I’m willing to bet that the majority of the civilian owners of P320s who continually say they’ve never had an issue frequently load and unload their p320s, constantly resetting the striker which would negate any movement over a period of time. I know I did, and unless my P320s were doing duty as home defense weapons, they weren’t stored loaded either.
1. The P320 is (and has been) getting an unusual number of uncommanded discharge reports compared to other gun manufacturers (and even other Sig models). If it’s not the gun, does that mean that those that buy and use Sig P320s are significantly more unsafe than those that buy and use other brands?
2. If this were simply a social medial phenomena, there should be guns of all manufacturers being reported in close to equal measure for uncommanded discharges, all across social media.
3. There are those that inevitably will go to “whataboutism” and the Glocks of the 1980s/90s, completely ignoring the fact that LEOs were moving from hammer fired revolvers to striker fired automatics that work very differently…10 lb heavier trigger in revolvers notwithstanding.
4. Personally, I saw enough of this debacle to follow the adage “where there’s smoke, there’s probably fire”. That, and Sig’s continual poor responses in belittling anyone who mentioned the issue resulted in my dumping a P320 X-Carry, 2 P320 Compacts, and 4 P365s of various styles. Never had an issue with any of them, carried the P365s a lot, it was a matter of principle “for me” based on Sigs response to the whole mess. Won’t own another until they (Sig) figure out how to be professional. Too many better guns out there for similar or less money.
5. I do agree that some of the alleged uncommanded discharges likely were safety problems. But again…why is it always Sig?
6. Don’t know who’s right in their assessment of what’s up with the P320, but there are legitimate theorems that speak to the “laws of averages” that indicate there should be an explanation for “why is it always a Sig P320?”
7. There are tons of examples where gun owners have had significant problems with “their” sample of a gun. Most of us admit it is possible for a gun to escape manufacturer QC and be less than operational. I personally had to send a Guardian back to Dan Wesson to have the ramp recut and for them to insert the proper link. It is very conceivable to me that Sig could be missing things at QC concerning some examples of P320s that do NOT affect every P320 ever released.
8. I also believe, at least in the LEO uncommanded discharges reports, that it possibly goes to said LEO carrying a duty P320 continually, never removing it from the holster, taking their belt off and on daily at home (here, I’m assuming LEO is allowed to take duty weapon home), yet never removing magazine, unloading gun, and never resetting “fully charged” striker as it slowly moves toward release from constant bumps over days/months. Eventually, a very minor bump releases striker, resulting in uncommanded discharge. I’m willing to bet that the majority of the civilian owners of P320s who continually say they’ve never had an issue frequently load and unload their p320s, constantly resetting the striker which would negate any movement over a period of time. I know I did, and unless my P320s were doing duty as home defense weapons, they weren’t stored loaded either.
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