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Smaller Guns for Defense?

No. It only comes in .32 and .380. This is a modern version of the Cheetah. You would be surprised at how many shooters were waiting for this pistol in .32 ACP. It makes the European (CIP) 7.65mm loads stand up and "do a tap dance".
 
Captain O said:
The new Beretta 80X is now available in .32 ACP (as well as in .380). You can bet that 12+1 rounds and a 4.4" barrel will be sufficient to "accomplish the mission."


An Exclusive Series​

AN EXCLUSIVE SERIES - THE NEW .32 ACP - 80X CHEETAH TACTICAL reimagines the legendary platform, with a new sleek design and enhanced features, including a threaded barrel for optimal performance. Built for modern-day concealed carry, this iteration retains the revered Vertec-style grip profile, the X-treme S Double/Single trigger, and a skeletonized hammer while introducing enhancements tailored with a suppressor option. With a ½” x 28 threaded black barrel, this pistol delivers unparalleled control and precision, ensuring rapid follow-up shots even under duress. Equipped with three white-dot sights, offering a reliable aiming solution that enhances both visibility and accuracy. The 80x Cheetah Tactical comes with 2 magazines, offering a 12-round capacity. Beretta understands the importance of comfort and usability in defensive firearms, and the 80x Cheetah Tactical delivers with an easier-to-rack slide and meticulously tuned recoil management.

NEW CALIBER .32 ACP
An ideal cartridge for its compact size and low recoil.

THREADED BARREL
Comes suppressor-ready out of the box with a ½”-28 threaded barrel for greater precision and more accurate follow-up shots due to reduced recoil.

ADJUSTABLE X-TREME S TRIGGER W/ SKELETONIZED HAMMER
A light, crisp, and consistent single-action/double-action pull. The
overtravel is adjustable to shorten the reset to 1mm.

OPTIC-READY SLIDE W/ INTERCHANGEABLE SIGHTS
Comes optics-ready, allowing for the ability to add an optic to improve accuracy and target acquisition speed.

VERTEC GRIP W/ FRAME MOUNTED SAFETY & PICATINNY RAIL
Allows for a more compact profile for carrying concealed. The added feature of a Picatinny rail gives the option for weapon-mounted lights and other Picatinny-mounted accessories.
80X Cheetah Tactical .32ACP Black Threaded Barrel

TECHNICAL SHEET​

Product chart​

Model:
80X Cheetah Tactical .32 ACP Black Threaded Barrel
80X Cheetah Tactical .32 ACP Black Threaded Barrel
  • 80X Cheetah Tactical .32 ACP Black Threaded Barrel
Caliber:
-.32 ACP
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  • .32 ACP
Magazine Capacity:
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80X Cheetah Tactical .32ACP Black Threaded Barrel

  • Model
    80X Cheetah Tactical .32 ACP Black Threaded Barrel
  • Barrel Length
    4.4"
  • Grip Width
    1.06"
  • Overall Length
    7.3"
  • Sight Radius
    133 mm
  • Weight Unloaded
    25 oz
  • Frame Size
    Micro Compact
  • Activity
    Defense
  • Caliber
    .32 ACP
  • Action
    Single/Double Action
  • Color
    Black
  • Overall Height
    4.9"
  • Overall Width
    1.4"
  • Threaded Barrel
    Yes
  • Family
    80 Series
  • Firearm Type
    Pistols
  • Product Segment
    Defense
  • Magazine Capacity
    12 Rounds


Is that enough?
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Is that enough? It’s big enough.
It’s bigger than a Sig P365.
 
The added size and weight allow the shooter to "drill the daylights" out of a bad guy before he/she realizes what the hell happened. 12 rounds of 73-grains of .312" diameter ball ammunition running out of that barrel at a hot 950-1000 fps is going to ruin someone's entire afternoon.

In the immortal words of Fred Dryer as Sergeant Rick Hunter:

"Works for me!"
 
Ozarker said:
^ I like that, does it come in 9mm?
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I don't understand why everyone wants to stuff a 9mm into a 3" barrel. Since the 9mm Luger is a higher-pressure cartridge.

1. This move robs both the 115 and 124-grain bullets of much-needed velocity. I see this as drastically counterintuitive and counterproductive.

2. The 'little lightweight-polymer 9mm pistols" tend to jump around like a flea on a hot griddle, making it slower to reacquire your target under stress, which increases the time between follow-up shots.

Not good.
 
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Captain O said:
I don't understand why everyone wants to stuff a 9mm into a 3" barrel. Since the 9mm Luger is a higher-pressure cartridge.

1. This move robs both the 115 and 124-grain bullets of much-needed velocity. I see this as drastically counterintuitive and counterproductive.

2. The 'little lightweight-polymer 9mm pistols" tend to jump around like a flea on a hot griddle, making it slower to reacquire your target under stress, which increases the time between follow-up shots.

Not good.
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Outside of the 80X, I cannot find a .32 with all of the options available to someone running a 9mm micro. Such as a Hell kitty, Reflex or 43x. I think that and the current belief that "anything less than .380 will get you killed." are the major reasons why we dont see more .32 pistols.

I would like to see more. I really like my 30x but something a tad larger without the Langdon Tactical/Beretta price tag would be appreciated. A .32 ACP LCP Max would be the bomb. Or even an OG LCP in .32.
 
Captain O said:
The foregoing post should give you an enlightened perspective on the ability of a properly placed "lowly .32" ACP.
I didn't go into this blindly. My Bersa .32 can exceed the penetration capability of my 2.7" barreled Kel Tec P32.

Contrary to popular belief, the Walther PP and the PPK can be effective. Proper shot placement and the right ammunition, and the .32 will "rise to the occasion". The Bersa is light, quick, and holds 10+1.

I'm neither reckless nor stupid.
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Well we all know it worked for “Bond, James Bond”😊. Remember Q describing it as “a real stopper”. Seriously though, .32 was THE police round in Europe for a long time. If it was as weak as many seem to think it would have quickly been replaced by the 9-which was available
 
The .32 ACP is very good for what it does. The CIP load are what make it viable. While the 9mm is a good round, the .32 can be "resurrected" by purchasing a .380 and having another barrel made in .32. Then you must rearrange the extractor and rim engagement. Reduce the recoil spring slightly, and voila! The best part is going out and finding a remaining PP or PPK in .32 ACP and avoid these problems.

If you are serious about it, look for Bersa Thunder .32. If you can't find one, we should start petitioning Lipsey's of Louisiana to get Bersa to send another 3000-5000 more to the US. I was fortunate enough to snag one.

I have a lot invetsed in the cartridge, five pistols, (Walther PP, Tanfoglio TItan, Zastava M70, Kel Tec P32 and the Bersa Thunder .32). Look up some of the CZ Military DA/SA, all-steel pistols. There are quite a few floating around on AIM and other sites.
 
Captain O said:
I have worked as an Armed Security Officer armed with a Glock Model 20. I also wore body armor. Not all scroats wear it. In the civilian world, most bad guys back off after being shot several times with any firearm.
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Do you have actual experience with bad guys backing off after being shot OR is it something youve heard. Not saying hearing something is bad; just not the same as actually experiencing it. I ask because my partner was shot in the chest on a domestic call with a 9mm and managed to return fire killing the suspect and he was back to work in four months

Your assessment that with proper loadings, a 32 can match a 380, isnt particularly inspiring. Yes maybe it can BUT a 380 is still sub par or at best minimal for self defense purposes, when there are clearly better options

Yes a 22 or a 32 or even a 380 will change someones disposition but less so than something more effective. I have and continue to use a 32 or similar on occasion. They DO have a role; but I think not as a regular carry option, and even then with limited effectiveness.

I keep saying using tiny guns in tiny cartridges means targeting headshots
 
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Shibadog said:
Seriously though, .32 was THE police round in Europe for a long time. If it was as weak as many seem to think it would have quickly been replaced by the 9-which was available
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I think its a mistake to equate 1930s European police weapons with 21st century US weapon choices.
First they dont use 32s as a standard side arm in Europe any more AND when they did European firearms mindset was and is completely different from the US concept of firearms and policing
Second take a look at European cops, chances are the ones you see are armed with 9mm SMGs and 9mm handguns
 
Captain O said:
I don't understand why everyone wants to stuff a 9mm into a 3" barrel. Since the 9mm Luger is a higher-pressure cartridge.

1. This move robs both the 115 and 124-grain bullets of much-needed velocity. I see this as drastically counterintuitive and counterproductive.

2. The 'little lightweight-polymer 9mm pistols" tend to jump around like a flea on a hot griddle, making it slower to reacquire your target under stress, which increases the time between follow-up shots.

Not good.
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I dont agree with much of what youve said above; but lets assume youre right, OK then carry a duty size 9mm
 
You must be compensating for something. Look at the Greg Ellfritz study. I wouldn't worry too much about what others carry. You have evidently bought the ammo companies' lie about the "latest and greatest manstopping bullets". Poking more holes in people tends to stop them. That big lump inside your pants will get heavy, and there isn't a woman on earth who will think it is your manhood.

If you "need" a 9mm, carry one. They will be big, bulky, and buck in your hand like a horse in a high wind. You can't deny physics. You are obviously a crowd-following "tacticool" kind of guy who needs to have the latest trend. Go for it. The element of surprise can make a big difference in the outcome of any confrontation.

Are you a Peace Officer? Are you carrying openly? Most of us aren't. The FBI penetration tests counted on passing through arms and lateral penetration. Citizens generally confront a person head-on.

Most civilian shootings occur at either contact distance or between 1 and 3 yards. (You seem to forget these salient facts.) Shootings take place to "break off the attack and escape". Any deadly force aside from that will be considered murder. (Ask any District Attorney, they'll tell you).

I owned one of the CZ 70 DA/SA pistols. It shot well. I sold it to a lady in the Portland, Oregon ghetto. The woman needed a reliable handgun. It served her well.
 

PieterCoetzee:​


Ballistics By The Inch proves, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the velocity difference between a 3" barreled 9mm and a four inch barreled model can result in the loss of between 60 and 75 fps in both 115 and 124-grain duty loads. Since the 9mm is a higher-pressure round you make this sacrifice for the purposes of concealment.

I'm not King Kong, but I can handle my full-sized 10mm Witness and Glock Model 20 very well. Concealing them presents a problem.
 
Woah dude, bell bottoms, peace signs, and 3 shots in 3 seconds, at 3 yards is 1970s thinking. I keep pointing out this is the world of chemically enhanced and religiously motivated bad guys. Maybe your 32 will work. Maybe youll need multiple shots....and maybe your magazine capacity will be enough. MAYBE

To answer your question I was a cop for 30+ years, I worked uniform and plain clothes and SRT and taught at the academy and lead a protection detail. Im just guessing but I bet Ive seen more GSWs then you have friends. I think I know from where Im talking.

Maybe you have actual personal experiences you can share

Notice I didnt make any derogatory comments about you; but if you think that makes your point go for it.
 
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That explains it. You were a cop. Most of the shooters here are civilians. You had qualified immunity to back up your shootings. Most of you were/are larger men, with large bodies. (Tell me when I'm going off the beam). Your situation is and was. far different from that of the civilian population. Justifying their shootings is far more difficult, and the courts are making it even more problematic. You haven't had to deal with shooting from a civilian perspective in over 40 years. Being in nasty, violent confrontations may have been routine for you when you were working in a sworn capacity.

The peace symbols were never a part of my life, and yes, I had to wear bell-bottoms. I wore them on duty in the US Navy. I was sworn in 53 years ago and served during the last days of the Vietnam Conflict as an Aviation Machinist's Mate. (Jet Mechanic to the civilian world).

I was trained by my father since 1962. (The man was a trained Underwater Demolition Team/Navy Rifle Team.) A Pearl Harbor attack survivor during World War 2 and in the Korean Conflict. (I had my first S&W Model 28 at the age of 16 in 1970). I don't know much.

I worked in Central Portland, Oregon, from 2000 to 2008 as an Armed Security Officer. There were some nasty encounters I vividly remember. (They weren't fun.) I avoided gunfights, but had to take some people into custody when I had to.

You still can't deny the laws of physics, and smaller handguns shooting high-pressure cartridges are still going to be more difficult to control. Not everyone is big, nor do they physically resemble a brick wall.
 
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I nearly killed a man at a construction site in Ridgefield, Washington. It was 2200 hours on December 25th, 2008, when a man who was ostensibly reporting to the construction site to work on the Diesel-powered equipment, pulled a machete on me. (I introduced him to my 1984-vintage 3" barreled, Charter Arms Stainless Steel .44 Special). Needless to say, we had a "come to Jesus" meeting. This is an experience I wouldn't want to replicate.
 
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