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Annihilator
Hellion
bc22wm
Professional
From my observation young people can't read or if they can it is not a skill they use.
last2brake
Custom
I've whined about this before, but SA's crappy documentation is why i doubt i'll buy anymore Springfields.
When your documentation is intentionally of such poor quality that you have to buy a part to see what it really looks like, just to have to buy MORE parts, i feel like they've used poor quality to make money.
A part that is pointed on one end should not look identical to one that's flat on both ends.
I know, i got flamed by their fanboys before for expecting better quality, but i'm not spending THEIR money. When i can't go shooting because i have to wait for more parts, i'll just buy a gun that doesn't make me need to carry a spare gun.
"But it's the way everybody does it....". No. Sorry. When Glock has you beat hands down at something, that should be a hint.
When your documentation is intentionally of such poor quality that you have to buy a part to see what it really looks like, just to have to buy MORE parts, i feel like they've used poor quality to make money.
A part that is pointed on one end should not look identical to one that's flat on both ends.
I know, i got flamed by their fanboys before for expecting better quality, but i'm not spending THEIR money. When i can't go shooting because i have to wait for more parts, i'll just buy a gun that doesn't make me need to carry a spare gun.
"But it's the way everybody does it....". No. Sorry. When Glock has you beat hands down at something, that should be a hint.
HayesGreener
Ronin
What parts are failing on your Springfields?
last2brake
Custom
The parts didn't fail. The idiot owner (me) dropped and lost a safety detent and spring for my AR. I guess the takedown detents don't have the point. Like I said, it's hard to tell the difference from the drawing.
And when you're mad at the idiot owner, it makes it worse.
Belt Fed
SAINT
They do, just not a sharp one. kinda rounded to let you move the safety.
Belt Fed
SAINT
But all those detents are not SA exclusive parts. they are all mil spec stuff. just buy extra parts from anywhere. they even sell small parts kits that cover just what you did. you aint the first one to ever lose a small spring or detent. my shop is probably full of them if i would move everything out and look hard, 
last2brake
Custom
Yeah. I get that., I bought a couple. And then bought the correct ones. Somewhere, I took a PHOTOgraph that shows the difference clearly
The point is, the low quality illustration's not clear enough to tell the difference.
Hell, they saved money. I get it. Good for them.
The point is, the low quality illustration's not clear enough to tell the difference.
Hell, they saved money. I get it. Good for them.
last2brake
Custom
Yeah. I get that, but that's not my point.But all those detents are not SA exclusive parts. they are all mil spec stuff. just buy extra parts from anywhere. they even sell small parts kits that cover just what you did. you aint the first one to ever lose a small spring or detent. my shop is probably full of them if i would move everything out and look hard,
Look at the online documentation for the AR-15 Saint. Can you see the difference in the drawing. I can't.
Belt Fed
SAINT
Shoot, i don't look at those drawings, i know what all them parts look like. but i been messing with them for many years.
last2brake
Custom
I know the difference now and I might even remember next time I screw up.
Question- I've heard two different answers....
Does the safety indicator rotate 90° between horizontal and vertical and point straight up ? Or does it just rotate up 45° ( between horizontal and verical) ? The safety works but I don't remember it not being straight vertical.
last2brake
Custom
Well, go buy one and let me know ?
At the very least, it's good to have a reason to buy another gun
But, seriously, thanks. Knowing either position could be normal does help.
Belt Fed
SAINT
Judging from this i'd say yours is supposed to be 90 degrees. it shows one clearly and the illustartions and the end of it look pretty good on the parts breakdown. but somebody that owns one would be better to say.
last2brake
Custom
I can actually see the point on that drawing, but I can't zoom in enough to see it on the link that I was directed to.
The hard copy of the online drawing SA referred me to was even worse.
It's my first AR. I'll figure it out. But there's so many other ARs to choose from I can't wait to try another manufacturer's rifle.
Annihilator
Hellion
I think for the prices you pay for guns, they should include a hard copy of the owners manual, no exceptions, even today, everybody doesn’t have internet…..c’mon Springfield, start including a manual…..
Old_Me
Emissary
the last few guns i bought, there was always an owners manual...however, they were "generic" most of the time, and not specific to the actual gun i bought.
i guess its thier way to assume we all know each and every model they sell, and "generic" should cover all models..??
last2brake
Custom
I just figured SA were a bunch of paper-saving managers who think more about the bottom-line than they do their customers.