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Aged_Cheddar

Aged_Cheddar

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Sorry in advance for the TLDR people.

Also, I don't really know what area to post this...Skills? Survival? Mods please move as needed.



OK, probably a weird question to ask a group of total strangers on the web, but I found myself in a position today that I’ve never been in before.

I know (at least I think) we have some active and retired police in here, so I’m hoping for some suggestions.

My wife and I had just come home from grocery shopping. We live in an apartment complex where parking is at a premium, as we parked we noticed a car occupying 2 stalls in front of our building, It didn’t have the parking tag that our complex uses, so I asked my wife to snap a pic of the car/plate so we could email it to the property manager to see if she knew the person, so she could contact them to have it moved a little…otherwise the complex has non-resident cars towed.

Important note, this cars windows were blacked out, I mean if the sun was INSIDE the car you wouldn’t see it….

So as my wife took the pic, the drivers door opened and a man started profanity laced screaming at her about the pic, at the same time another man came out of an adjacent apartment and started screaming at her too, something like “You want a problem?? Mind your business.., That’s my visitor, he can park wherever he wants”… I should note that this guy has multiple “visitors” a day, nearly everyday, make of that what you will…

So, at this point I was coming back out of our apartment, and I was getting ready to become the aforementioned problem 😈, but my wife continued to try and de-escalate and urged me to dial it down…I complied, however the other guy from the apartment just kept pushing, like he wanted the fight…Seriously dude??

Ultimately we finished carrying our groceries in while the whole time he kept trying to push…I have NEVER held back this hard in my life.

So, he finally ends with “try that again and see what happens”… Now, to me that seems like a threat, and my wife certainly thinks so too, and normally I’d call that bluff, but I know this guy carries (he wasn't today that I could see), I’ve often seen his gun hanging out of the back of his pants, and here in WI we have CCW and open carry, so it’s not all that uncommon to see something like that, the pinch here is that I think this dude is unstable enough actually use it… And the LAST thing I want is a damn shootout in an apartment complex, talk about the potential for collateral damage, we have a lot of children in this complex, I could never forgive myself for hurting one of them.

We notified our property manager, but my wife is actually worried this is going to be an ongoing problem now, since this dude seemed intent on confrontation today…

What do you guys think? Is this something we should have involved the police with?
 
Me? Go downtown and file a report, explain your concerns. Yours might not be the straw but it might be the one that does break the camels back.

My white bread neighborhood has had two drug dealers arrested in the past 6-8 years the last being 5 months ago. Same story, far too many friends visiting, in cars that just don’t belong.
 
Aged_Cheddar said:
Sorry in advance for the TLDR people.

Also, I don't really know what area to post this...Skills? Survival? Mods please move as needed.



OK, probably a weird question to ask a group of total strangers on the web, but I found myself in a position today that I’ve never been in before.

I know (at least I think) we have some active and retired police in here, so I’m hoping for some suggestions.

My wife and I had just come home from grocery shopping. We live in an apartment complex where parking is at a premium, as we parked we noticed a car occupying 2 stalls in front of our building, It didn’t have the parking tag that our complex uses, so I asked my wife to snap a pic of the car/plate so we could email it to the property manager to see if she knew the person, so she could contact them to have it moved a little…otherwise the complex has non-resident cars towed.

Important note, this cars windows were blacked out, I mean if the sun was INSIDE the car you wouldn’t see it….

So as my wife took the pic, the drivers door opened and a man started profanity laced screaming at her about the pic, at the same time another man came out of an adjacent apartment and started screaming at her too, something like “You want a problem?? Mind your business.., That’s my visitor, he can park wherever he wants”… I should note that this guy has multiple “visitors” a day, nearly everyday, make of that what you will…

So, at this point I was coming back out of our apartment, and I was getting ready to become the aforementioned problem 😈, but my wife continued to try and de-escalate and urged me to dial it down…I complied, however the other guy from the apartment just kept pushing, like he wanted the fight…Seriously dude??

Ultimately we finished carrying our groceries in while the whole time he kept trying to push…I have NEVER held back this hard in my life.

So, he finally ends with “try that again and see what happens”… Now, to me that seems like a threat, and my wife certainly thinks so too, and normally I’d call that bluff, but I know this guy carries (he wasn't today that I could see), I’ve often seen his gun hanging out of the back of his pants, and here in WI we have CCW and open carry, so it’s not all that uncommon to see something like that, the pinch here is that I think this dude is unstable enough actually use it… And the LAST thing I want is a damn shootout in an apartment complex, talk about the potential for collateral damage, we have a lot of children in this complex, I could never forgive myself for hurting one of them.

We notified our property manager, but my wife is actually worried this is going to be an ongoing problem now, since this dude seemed intent on confrontation today…

What do you guys think? Is this something we should have involved the police with?
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Nobody is a winner in an ego contest. You are better off ignoring or calling the police if it comes to that but engaging a trashy enraged person can put you or your families life or freedom in danger. Setup a ring camera or record any interactions with your phone but try to refrain from the back and forth as this will be used against you in court or it can escalate a situation to a point of no return.
 
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10mmLife said:
Nobody is a winner in an ego contest. You are better off ignoring or calling the police if it comes to that but engaging a trashy enraged person can put you or your families life or freedom in danger. Setup a ring camera or record and interactions with your phone but try to refrain from the back and forth as this will be used against you in court or it can escalate a situation to a point of no return.
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We do have a Ring doorbell cam, but the angle was just not quite right to catch it, we got the audio, but no video really.

We actually went down to Best Buy this evening and bought an outdoor Ring cam for our balcony...if it had been there earlier today, it would have been the perfect vantage point to have caught everything...Glad it's there now though.

And I know, you're right, nobody wins ego contests...but man, this dude needed his bell rung... Had my wife not worked hard to de-escalate this, I likely would have made different decisions...Another perfect example of how's she's a lot better at life than I am...
 
30 or 40 years ago, you could have rung his bell. In the anti-law abiding citizen and anti-2nd Amendment climate of today, you were right to defer to your wife. By all means, get a go-pro and use it if you have another encounter with this individual. Do everything you can to avoid a confrontation, or de-escalate. All video evidence works in your favor should you get forced into a bad situation. Especially if it shows him/his friend(s) being the aggressor(s). These worthless pieces of human excrement are not worth you sitting in prison for and your wife not having you around. I agree with what the others on here have advised. And welcome to the forum from Northeast Flori-da.
 
To bad he wasn't acting like he was reaching for a weapon as his a$% could be hauled off. I'd still file so at least there'd be that. I'm waiting for my neighbors to slip up as I know they will so both can be hauled to jail! For what they're done and my mom (property owner) and her nit doing anything about it has me believing she's scared of her own daughter and her husband although she won't answer me about that. You shouldn't need to look over your shoulder about this as he has a problem and is THE problem! Get an order of protection if necessary
 
Make your report to LE and apartment management. My guess is LE knows him and he's a regular, although from your description I don't see where he committed any crime. Problem with Adam Henry's is he is still going to be an Adam Henry tomorrow and you never know what he will do so de-escalation is the best course for now. You both still have to live there and you can't be "on" 24/7. The cameras are a good idea. Good luck with it and stay safe.
 
10mmLife said:
Nobody is a winner in an ego contest. You are better off ignoring or calling the police if it comes to that but engaging a trashy enraged person can put you or your families life or freedom in danger. Setup a ring camera or record and interactions with your phone but try to refrain from the back and forth as this will be used against you in court or it can escalate a situation to a point of no return.
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This is really good advice.
 
Aged_Cheddar said:
Sorry in advance for the TLDR people.

Also, I don't really know what area to post this...Skills? Survival? Mods please move as needed.



OK, probably a weird question to ask a group of total strangers on the web, but I found myself in a position today that I’ve never been in before.

I know (at least I think) we have some active and retired police in here, so I’m hoping for some suggestions.

My wife and I had just come home from grocery shopping. We live in an apartment complex where parking is at a premium, as we parked we noticed a car occupying 2 stalls in front of our building, It didn’t have the parking tag that our complex uses, so I asked my wife to snap a pic of the car/plate so we could email it to the property manager to see if she knew the person, so she could contact them to have it moved a little…otherwise the complex has non-resident cars towed.

Important note, this cars windows were blacked out, I mean if the sun was INSIDE the car you wouldn’t see it….

So as my wife took the pic, the drivers door opened and a man started profanity laced screaming at her about the pic, at the same time another man came out of an adjacent apartment and started screaming at her too, something like “You want a problem?? Mind your business.., That’s my visitor, he can park wherever he wants”… I should note that this guy has multiple “visitors” a day, nearly everyday, make of that what you will…

So, at this point I was coming back out of our apartment, and I was getting ready to become the aforementioned problem 😈, but my wife continued to try and de-escalate and urged me to dial it down…I complied, however the other guy from the apartment just kept pushing, like he wanted the fight…Seriously dude??

Ultimately we finished carrying our groceries in while the whole time he kept trying to push…I have NEVER held back this hard in my life.

So, he finally ends with “try that again and see what happens”… Now, to me that seems like a threat, and my wife certainly thinks so too, and normally I’d call that bluff, but I know this guy carries (he wasn't today that I could see), I’ve often seen his gun hanging out of the back of his pants, and here in WI we have CCW and open carry, so it’s not all that uncommon to see something like that, the pinch here is that I think this dude is unstable enough actually use it… And the LAST thing I want is a damn shootout in an apartment complex, talk about the potential for collateral damage, we have a lot of children in this complex, I could never forgive myself for hurting one of them.

We notified our property manager, but my wife is actually worried this is going to be an ongoing problem now, since this dude seemed intent on confrontation today…

What do you guys think? Is this something we should have involved the police with?
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Seriously, I'd move. Tell the Property Manager why. Yes, report the incident as a threat!
 
We had a somewhat similar issue in our neighborhood several years ago. We talked with our police, and they told us they already knew and were watching. And we are in easy walking distance of our police building. We never confronted the dealers personally and did our best to ignore them. The police ultimately resolved the situation. I’m sorry you and your wife are having to deal with this.
 
Begin a "paper trail" with the P.D.,as it will be helpful if difficulties continue. I would advise against further engagement of any fashion. From what you've described, it's doubtful they're law abiding; you'll never win a battle of wits with fools. Let's keep good thoughts, and hope it's ended. All the best. . .
 
OK make ONE police report. Then request a meeting with the precinct commander, as in show up at the station (M-F after 9am before 5pm) and tell the desk office youd like to speak with the commander; NOT the shift commander. IF hes not there ask to speak with his secretary and set a date. The point is to be come a thorn in the Commander's side, not the patrol guys (the Commander will do that)

Once you meet, explain ALL your info, armed, crazy, threats, multiple visitors every day, etc etc. Give him your video(s); but keep copies. If possible set up a camera to view the trash dumpster and tell the Commander you can see the trash bags that he tosses away (trash is evidence).

MOST importantly tell him about how he scared you and your wife. Tell him its been an ongoing threat. Do NOT tell them you will defend yourself if attacked or some such silliness. You want to make the idiot the bad guy NOT you. You are the VICTIM. Ask the Commander for updates, you wont get them; but when nothing happens in a month or so, go to his boss.

Next go to the court (or wherever in your state) and request a Protective Order. Be passionate in your description. The Order will require that he turn over ALL weapons. To be clear this will toss fuel on the fire and will NOT stop any threat (or assault) but its a tool the PD can use and it shows YOU are the VICTIM

Dont go grocery shopping once a week so both yours hands are full. Go more frequently so youre only carrying one bag and you can immediately access your weapon.

A camera on your car(s) wouldnt be a bad idea too

Being the VICTIM is important when this progresses, especially if it progresses to shots fired

Finally ALWAYS carry, the same for your wife. EXPECT trouble everywhere


OR just move
 
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Ok, refrained for a while but not one to keep quiet. So, OP, sounds like you are a very young nearly newlywed, 21-22 yrs old so brain isn't fully formed yet and too hot and too quick to turn it loose who is fortunate to have a more sensible wife. In addition to looking for a safer place to live you better learn to turn it down faster and without outside influence. Unloading can and probably is more satisfying but it's also a way to get yourself killed. Or get your wife killed. People like that won't think twice and won't differentiate doing you or her in.
 
Just thinking, YOU have to decide how much you want this guy gone and how much you want to get involved and how far you are willing to go.

Do nothing and move will be the easiest (yeah not so easy to move)

Watch for and photo every visitor he has, photograph them and their car, including the tag. Keep a log, and call 911 every time the car leaves, saying you think you just saw a drug deal. Give them the drivers description along with the vehicle. Youll make yourself a pest to the Patrol guys but eventually one of them will find a reason to stop the car and maybe find drugs and maybe the driver will flip or maybe the Commander will put real pressure on his narcotics unit; but I caution you, this is a step you cant undo...and youll still probably need to move.

If hes living in an apartment, hes a low level guy so he wont have a huge gang; but how big does it need to be? What you should be concerned about is that it the rage he displayed sounds like hes using more than Marijuana. IF thats the case and he has zeroed in on you then YOU targeting him may be your only answer

So again how far are you willing to go?

Protect yourself
 
TEXASforLIFE said:
To bad he wasn't acting like he was reaching for a weapon as his a$% could be hauled off. I'd still file so at least there'd be that. I'm waiting for my neighbors to slip up as I know they will so both can be hauled to jail! For what they're done and my mom (property owner) and her nit doing anything about it has me believing she's scared of her own daughter and her husband although she won't answer me about that. You shouldn't need to look over your shoulder about this as he has a problem and is THE problem! Get an order of protection if necessary
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This -file a report. If anything in the future goes bad it’ll help you. In the meantime, watch your six and keep an eye out when the wife is coming/going. Life’s too short and too precious to waste it putting up with Aholes.
 
Shibadog said:
This -file a report. If anything in the future goes bad it’ll help you.
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NOT nearly as much *** you think, and may not even be noticed. IF it is noticed, OK yeah he reported a neighbor complaint, Now whos the victim in that? Chances are there wont be more than a line on a dispatch log, because the office might not even write a report Either commit or not
 
HayesGreener said:
I suggest you ask to speak to the officer who works your area in person, then make your report. Dispatch may or may not relay your urgency.
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I guess it depends where you live, as in WHO is that officer. I live in a small department area and I dont have a clue which officer that would be. They all respond to dispatch calls, Its not a Barney or Andy thing anymore AND chances are theres NOTHING he can do to resolve the OPs problem at the individual patrol officer level. THIS issue is gonna need a drug investigation, which will include a search warrant and a trash inspection
 
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