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Why Do So Many Prosecutors Let Criminals With Illegally Converted GLOCK Pistols Walk?

Biggfoot44 said:
On the micro level , it's " Siezures of Illegally Converted Glocks Up 500 % ! " When it's 2 up to 10 ( still infantesimal percentage of total .)

But the big picture;

Progressive Leftists Don't Care about reducing crime . Actually they want More crime .

The goal.is to create a climate of fear and desperation, to make the public want to give up their Rights and Freedoms, for an illusion of safety .
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the (d) don't want to incarcerate their pool of potential voters...
 
How about we do away with the whole "automatic guns are illegal" think altogether and solve this problem.

I'll go as far as to say it shouldn't be illegal to own anything.

Only thing that should be illegal is committing an act that injures or kills someone.

Like someone else said, killing someone with a fully automatic handgun or rifle shouldn't be any different than killing someone with a single shot 22. Murder is murder.
 
With violent crime the intent of the aggressor weights heavily in prosecution and sentencing of offenders. Bringing a machinegun to a shooting leaves no doubt as to premeditated homicidal intent.

I would like for law abiding citizens to possess a machinegun if they so desire (I miss my MP5).

But, I worry about violent criminals getting hands on them when they proliferate in legitimate hands, through theft and black market. Laws prohibiting machinegun use and guns in general by criminals at least gives us another tool to put volent criminals away.

In federal law, use of a machinegun in violent or drug trafficking cases currently carries a minimum 30 year enhanced sentence.
 
HayesGreener said:
With violent crime the intent of the aggressor weights heavily in prosecution and sentencing of offenders. Bringing a machinegun to a shooting leaves no doubt as to premeditated homicidal intent.

I would like for law abiding citizens to possess a machinegun if they so desire (I miss my MP5).

But, I worry about violent criminals getting hands on them when they proliferate in legitimate hands, through theft and black market. Laws prohibiting machinegun use and guns in general by criminals at least gives us another tool to put volent criminals away.

In federal law, use of a machinegun in violent or drug trafficking cases currently carries a minimum 30 year enhanced sentence.
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I understand your point but I respectfully disagree.

I won't accept that rights are stripped from all becuase some bad people might do soemthing they shouldn't.

I shouldn't have to jump through any hoops to own a full auto because some piece of crap gangbanger in Detroit will steal one and use it to shoot up other piece of crap gangbangers.

I also don't beleive in "enhanced sentences." Violent criminals should just be put away (or put down) period.

Again I could own 20 fully automatic rifels, SBRs and hanguns and never use them to harm someone

But because Tyrone in the inner city is going to blow off 33 rounds in his stolen Glock, I can't have em? No, that is not acceptable
 
Im so tired of hearing "it should be banned because Bad guys might do something...."

F me, Bad Guy DO things. Bad Guys will always DO things. Bad guys make bombs, Bad guys make drugs, Bad guys MAKE automatic weapons, Hell Bad guys even make GAS. GUN FREE zones didnt stop some ghetto angel from stabbing a kid at a track meet.
 
PAGunGuy said:
I understand your point but I respectfully disagree.

I won't accept that rights are stripped from all becuase some bad people might do soemthing they shouldn't.

I shouldn't have to jump through any hoops to own a full auto because some piece of crap gangbanger in Detroit will steal one and use it to shoot up other piece of crap gangbangers.

I also don't beleive in "enhanced sentences." Violent criminals should just be put away (or put down) period.

Again I could own 20 fully automatic rifels, SBRs and hanguns and never use them to harm someone

But because Tyrone in the inner city is going to blow off 33 rounds in his stolen Glock, I can't have em? No, that is not acceptable
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I don't disagree with you in principle. But as a street cop in Florida in the 80's and 90's, gangs and drug dealers with automatic weapons would keep you awake nights. Our police shotguns were augmented or replaced by full auto rifles or SMG's as a result. I don't want to see them proliferate on the street..
 
HayesGreener said:
I don't want to see them proliferate on the street..
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But they ARE proliferating on the street. Glock stopped making the Gen 5 series because someone made a full auto switch; within a month there was a switch for the V model and I suspect theres been a version for the Gen 6 guns since they came out. The Genie is out of the bottle on full auto guns, it has been for years.

PDs have pretty much always been behind the curve on issued weapons. A lot has to do with budgets but I suspect its also an image issue; do we really want cops on corners with machine guns asking for "your papers"?

That being said Im all for cops being armed with weapons to beat the thugs BUT we need to stop DEI hiring when it comes to guys you want to hunt monsters.
 
Wirenut said:
In some of the blue cities and states, if criminals are not prosecuted the crime stats stay low and they boast about the safety of their cities, plus their voter base stays out of jail.
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yeah, but they still have the graveyards in thier back pockets as well.
 
I certainly ran through a few bosses that "downgraded" crimes (a burglary became a trespassing, destruction of property, and theft), because none of them are Part One crimes and dont get listed like felonies.

I blame a lot on COMSTAT where each month the bosses are called together to review their area crimes. A Precinct that had 8 burglaries last month but only 6 this month looks like they are reducing crime (not to the 6 victims) AND a Precinct that went from 1 burglary last month to 2 this month looks terrible because their burglaries doubled. Its a numbers Ponzi scheme played on the public by bosses who want to make politicians happy

Dont prosecute bag guys with switches and suddenly you have lower crime stats
 
TEXASforLIFE said:
Also if there are more out there committing crimes with firearms it keeps the left pushing their agenda as it gives them the ammunition they need.
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Yeah, you actually take the thugs off the street and crime (and shootings) would drop precipitally, that’ll never help make the case for more gun control-better turn ‘em loose so they can get in another shooting.
 
As far back as the summer of 2022 there have been task forces working on prosecuting folks using switched or modified guns and ATF & U.S. Attorneys were going around giving presentations on how best to prosecute those cases as well as 'ghost guns' and suppressors made on plastic printers at the state level and what history the miscreant should possess for the DOJ to find them tasty. They also increased the number of local prosecutors cross-sworn with the DOJ.

The pistols modified for full auto thing is a tough one as you can do that with a small bead of weld and a file in about two minutes and there's no change to the outward appearance.🤷‍♂️ None of that puts a huge dent in the problem as some states run over 90% plea deals for disposition of cases and the gun charges sadly are some of the first to be dealt away.
 
FNFAN said:
90% plea deals for disposition of cases
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The whole system is designed to encourage plea deals. I dont have a problem with that. If every case went to trial the back up would be years and the cost crazy. You shouldnt hate the deal making, the issue is the penalties assessed.
 
The short answer............

Now bear with me because I'm not experienced (yeah I wore a badge for a while, but I dunno NOTHING). Prosecutors start with what the arresting officer charges the suspect with. And that charging officer starts with the MAXIMUM and adds the lesser crimes as well. That is SOP.

Once the warrants are served, Said suspect is now in the stewardship of the District Attorneys office.

If the FEDS get involved, that's another story, and don't get me started there.

Let's just our benevolent Federal Prosecutors are where the weakness lies.

But like I said, I don't know NUFFIN......

There's the blood in the water, have at it.
 
PieterCoetzee said:
The whole system is designed to encourage plea deals. I dont have a problem with that. If every case went to trial the back up would be years and the cost crazy. You shouldnt hate the deal making, the issue is the penalties assessed.
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I don't have a problem with cases getting dispo'd that way. If you cut it down to even 50% you'd have to expand the justice machine i.e. courts, prosecutors, jails, prisons, probation and parole, plus staffing costs four fold -except that if we want to get serious about the use of firearms in a felony crime it needs to be made a mandatory 10 years flat which is served prior to the base charges. No other charges may run concurrent and if there was a gun present, it is charged with no discretion to include it in a plea or not charge it. Obviously that doesn't apply to actual self defense situations. Make it an anathema for folks to use firearms in criminal activity.
 
FNFAN said:
if we want to get serious about the use of firearms in a felony crime
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Hmmmm I would suggest that, it should be less about the use of firearms and more about the crime but frankly I dont think the thought of penalties has ANY effect on those that violate these crimes. The ONLY thing that matters is the ACTUAL penalty.

Remove them from society and keep them away no matter their age 13 or 30 parents or not OR any of the other social tears being cried
 
PieterCoetzee said:
The whole system is designed to encourage plea deals. I dont have a problem with that. If every case went to trial the back up would be years and the cost crazy. You shouldnt hate the deal making, the issue is the penalties assessed.
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I was injured in a shooting in 1992. Suspect arrested for Attempt Murder of a P.O.. at the prelim it was downgraded to ADW on a P.O. At trial,plea bargained to straight ADW. HE WAS OUT IN TWOYEARS!
 
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