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Why I Don't Volunteer That I'm Armed To The Police

Mr. Untactical said:
Yes sir! Larry's has a taken a lot of my money 😂 Actually, I've given it to them willingly. Although, I purchased our Echelon 4.0c Comp at Last Resort - they had the best price I found - even better than online. Sadly, it was not the Gear Up pack, but that's okay.

Not sure I've been through Leeds; we generally stick to I-65 when we head down to NW FL (which is really home, but I like getting a paycheck, so Huntsville it is for now lol).
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I’ve been to Larry’s a time or two.

If you’re in Leeds, you’re not too far from Birmingham. There is Marks Outdoors in Hoover, and used to be a place called Birmingham Pistol Parlor (I think that was it)out by the airport. (This was back in the 90s). That guy was a Class III dealer, but his shop was in the hood with bars on the windows. He had all manner of cool full-auto stuff you could touch. His shop was always a mess, but he’d let you step out back and use his small alley if you wanted /needed to function check as he called it, your handgun.

I bought my 6906 there in the early 90s.
 
Anchorite said:
I’ve been to Larry’s a time or two.

If you’re in Leeds, you’re not too far from Birmingham. There is Marks Outdoors in Hoover, and used to be a place called Birmingham Pistol Parlor (I think that was it)out by the airport. (This was back in the 90s). That guy was a Class III dealer, but his shop was in the hood with bars on the windows. He had all manner of cool full-auto stuff you could touch. His shop was always a mess, but he’d let you step out back and use his small alley if you wanted /needed to function check as he called it, your handgun.

I bought my 6906 there in the early 90s.
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Leeds also has a Bass Pro and a Buc-ee's. That place near the airport is still there (had a name change) and it's still a mess. They have a 4-lane range with stupid rules (no shots quicker than 2-seconds and the list goes on). Marks has taken some of my $$ and so has Hoover Tactical (12-lane pistol, 6-lane rifle and a 3D archery range) near the Galeria.

Larry's is where I went looking for a .45 Ronin but they were out. I "settled" for a .45 RO Elite for me and a S&W 380EZ for Mrs. Tinyman.
 
The Night Rider said:
First I want to say that Colorado (at present). does not require me to inform a police officer that I'm armed in an official contact

The second thing I want to say is that I have not been pulled over by the police since (I think) 2013.

So in 2008 I had a job working in a group home in Green Mountain Falls Colorado. It was about 30 miles west of Colorado Springs on Highway 24.

There was one ******* State Trooper who worked Highway 24 in Ute Pass.

He pulled me over once for failure to yield the Right lane while he had somebody pulled over on the right shoulder of the road. It wasn't a law at the time he just thought I should do it so he pulled me over ran my license registration proof of insurance and then told me why he thought I should do that then let me go.

The second time he pulled me over he pulled me over for "Going too fast for conditions."

He walked up to the car introduced himself and told me why he pulled me over. then asked for my License Registration and Proof of Insurance.

I handed them the documentation and he asked me if there were any weapons in the vehicle.

I already had my wallet in my hands. I didn't say anything I took the concealed handgun permit out of my wallet and handed it to him.

He went absolutely ballistic. He stepped away from the car and put his hand on the gun he started screaming at me. He told me that I was required to a notify him immediately upon contact if I had any weapons in the vehicle. No such law exists in Colorado. Then he told me he could take me to jail. I kind of wish you would have tried it because I would have been able to retire a lot sooner.

About six months later I read that his wife had asked for a divorce and he killed her then got in a standoff with the cops before killing himself.

Remember that's the guy with the gun and and all the power in the interaction standing outside your car window by the side of the dark, deserted road in the middle of the night.

I've never had the following happen to me and that's the only cop who asked me if there were guns in the car.

But I've read stories on the internet of cops disarming posters and returning their guns to them in pieces in a paper bag.
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I do the same. Alabama doesn't require it but it usually greased the squeaky wheel to let them know. Never had one ask me to step out of the vehicle and never got a written warning or ticket.
 
State Laws vary so much , there really isn't a unified conversation there .

The Other Question around Voluntary Best Practices ? There actually is no Best Answer . Each approach has it's own ups & downs , not predictable in advance .

The OP isn't making it up , it's a real thing with greater than zero frequency .

Our membership is probably skewed to living in the sticks , where the actual Sheriff , both deputies , and the one prosecutor covering 4 adjancent counties are all NRA Life Members .

But there are places where some combination of Individual Ofc , local area supervisor ,or entire agencies are default Anti Gun , and as policy persue maxium harassment , and esculated procedures .
 
If on vacation and decide to visit a reservation make sure you find out what the laws are on the one you will visit as they are all different. Some will allow firearms secured in a lock box and some will say NO and others may say you have to leave them at the office. Th may change from year to year as some states like to do like the West coast.
 
Oldmountaiman said:
If on vacation and decide to visit a reservation make sure you find out what the laws are on the one you will visit as they are all different. Some will allow firearms secured in a lock box and some will say NO and others may say you have to leave them at the office. Th may change from year to year as some states like to do like the West coast.
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Good advice for going anywhere you're unfamiliar with. 'Not knowing' is more often than not, not a valid defense.
 
Biggfoot44 said:
State Laws vary so much , there really isn't a unified conversation there .

The Other Question around Voluntary Best Practices ? There actually is no Best Answer . Each approach has it's own ups & downs , not predictable in advance .

The OP isn't making it up , it's a real thing with greater than zero frequency .

Our membership is probably skewed to living in the sticks , where the actual Sheriff , both deputies , and the one prosecutor covering 4 adjancent counties are all NRA Life Members .

But there are places where some combination of Individual Ofc , local area supervisor ,or entire agencies are default Anti Gun , and as policy persue maxium harassment , and esculated procedures .
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TBF every cop I ran into at work I don't know how else to say if, they couldn't care less. I don't even know if they noticed. None of them even acknowledged that I was carrying a gun.
 
Anchorite said:
Interesting topic.

I wonder if in todays world, all law enforcement training programs and academy’s train their graduates to expect and therefore treat every traffic stop as if the driver and occupants are armed.

Anyone know or venture to guess if this is the (training) case today?
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I can say this was being taught in Academies in 1988. Always believe the occupants are armed but you also don't make every stop a felony stop.
 
Here in Illinois , our FOID card and FCCL carry license are tied to our license plates. If they run the plate , they know we have a carry license or not.

We also don't have to inform LEO that we have a firearm unless asked.
 
We no longer have to inform in Ohio but I do as a courtesy and I think it’s a safe thing to do. The police assume everyone is armed. I would rather tell them than to have a cop see it on their own. As far as the Ohio State Patrol, they are the only agency that got very high marks on Ohio carry forums when Ohio stared issuing permits and other agencies were falling all over themselves when someone had a permit.
Also, if you have a permit in Ohio the police get notified when they run your name or registration.
 
Both hands high on the steering wheel. "Good afternoon, officer. I'd like you to know that I have a permitted weapon on me/in the car.
Happened in downtown Seattle many years ago. The SPD officer asked to see my license, but never asked to see the gun or the permit. Gave me a warning. Maybe it had to do with my attitude, my military ID, and my high and tight?
 
Assuming NO law requiring informing the officer, I see no value UNLESS something you are going to do would show the gun (if thats the case then YES tell him before its exposed). Telling the officer only raises his stress level and why do that.

If you really want to freak him out, put down the window, turn the car off, and put both hands out the window. He'll assume youre either a criminal OR a cop being an asshole to him...

Of course if you really want to make his day, put down the window and fire a few rounds in the air, then shout, "Youll never take me alive..." Itll be followed by "Dispatch you wont believe what he just said...." He'll tell that story for years. (SARCASM)
 
The Night Rider said:
First I want to say that Colorado (at present). does not require me to inform a police officer that I'm armed in an official contact

The second thing I want to say is that I have not been pulled over by the police since (I think) 2013.

So in 2008 I had a job working in a group home in Green Mountain Falls Colorado. It was about 30 miles west of Colorado Springs on Highway 24.

There was one ******* State Trooper who worked Highway 24 in Ute Pass.

He pulled me over once for failure to yield the Right lane while he had somebody pulled over on the right shoulder of the road. It wasn't a law at the time he just thought I should do it so he pulled me over ran my license registration proof of insurance and then told me why he thought I should do that then let me go.

The second time he pulled me over he pulled me over for "Going too fast for conditions."

He walked up to the car introduced himself and told me why he pulled me over. then asked for my License Registration and Proof of Insurance.

I handed them the documentation and he asked me if there were any weapons in the vehicle.

I already had my wallet in my hands. I didn't say anything I took the concealed handgun permit out of my wallet and handed it to him.

He went absolutely ballistic. He stepped away from the car and put his hand on the gun he started screaming at me. He told me that I was required to a notify him immediately upon contact if I had any weapons in the vehicle. No such law exists in Colorado. Then he told me he could take me to jail. I kind of wish you would have tried it because I would have been able to retire a lot sooner.

About six months later I read that his wife had asked for a divorce and he killed her then got in a standoff with the cops before killing himself.

Remember that's the guy with the gun and and all the power in the interaction standing outside your car window by the side of the dark, deserted road in the middle of the night.

I've never had the following happen to me and that's the only cop who asked me if there were guns in the car.

But I've read stories on the internet of cops disarming posters and returning their guns to them in pieces in a paper bag.
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There are always two sides to every story. That said, all occupations have persons that sneak under the radar. Most if not 98% are weeded out. Sorry you experienced that idiot. 34 years in LEO i never had an issue with any licensed carrier. Retired now in a state that requires notification. Always be polite, and advise i am or am not carrying as prescribe by law. Never had an issue.
I would like to think returning a firearm in pieces dismantled is a myth yet if it occurred that person should be visiting the Chief the folloeing , day with the bag asking for a reason why he should not see a lawyer rather than let the chief handle it internally.
 
The Night Rider said:
I might have said this before but when I was working as a security guard, I assumed everybody I approached was armed and a good number of them were, if not with a gun.

I can't imagine any reason why a cop wouldn't operate on the assumption that everyone they approach is armed.
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They better. Around 1986, A Navy reservist I knew, worked as a car salesman and security for a department store. He was in his late 20s. He followed a shoplifter into the parking lot to confront him. The perp began throwing blows and the fight was on. The guard was a scrapper, but after he thought he been punched in the back, his sudden difficult breathing told him another story. He had been knifed, and never saw the thing. Perp escaped and he went to the hospital to re-inflate his punctured lung. Ain't no shoplifter worth that, or the low-paying, no benefits job he had.
 
@The Night Rider, I didn't read the entire thread. This topic was discussed here before.

Youhave those who pedestalize law enforcement and trust them. They want to do things to get in the officer's good grace and to show them that they are one of the good guys. They need them to know that they are fanboys of and support police. This often leads legal gun owners to talking too much during a defensive situation, freely giving up rights, and/or genuinely giving out more information than what's required or needed by law. They are ignorant of the fact that law enforcement in general are NOT on their side. They are on the side of the blue, their superiors, and the government first and foremost. They have immunity, are armed, and have our lives in their hands via their word alone. You never know what type of officer you'll get.

Hell must have frozen over, @The Night Rider, because we finally agree on something. I too do NOT inform law enforcement of anything. A civil traffic stop has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I'm carrying and is absolutely none of the officer's business. I've been stopped about 5 times over the last 15 years for minor civil traffic offenses, some of which weren't moving violations.

I've had problems with officers wanting me to disarm for "their safety" and so that they could run my carry gun to see if it was stolen. They then always proceed to have me get out of my vehicle and put my hands in the air or on the car; they take my carry gun, prolong the stop to run the serial, and hand me back an empty firearm in front of the public for all to see with a hand full of loose ammo and instructions to not load the firearm until they leave. On one occasion I had multiple firearms in my vehicle that I freely told them about, and they took and ran every last one of them. One off of my person and the rest from my vehicle. Now, I say absolutely nothing and never have a problem. They take my license, run my record and tag, and then send me on my way, often without a ticket. I can be polite, respectful, and professional without brown noising and giving up rights with the hopes of getting out of a ticket. No, I don't trust a stranger cop disappearing for 10-15 minutes with my firearms and ammo, nor do I like a record being made of what I'm carrying along with the serial number.
 
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