Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “What Is a Citizen First Responder?” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/what-is-a-citizen-first-responder/.
YOU Are a First Responder
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The Night Rider
Hellcat
I want to be really careful how I say this and I do not intend any insult but this ground has been covered a bunch of times.
A first responder responds first. Medical staff, The Military and Public Works are not First Responders. Neither is a pilot, his job is to fly the plane.
Every human being on this planet is their own first responder but I want to be really clear I am the first responder for myself and my family. I am not your first responder.
I do not have any obligation to ride to the sound of the guns because you failed to take the same preparedness steps that I did.
If and that's a really big if,
I'm out in public with my family my first and only mission is to ensure their safety.
I'm not going to leave my family defenseless to go rescue yours.
A first responder responds first. Medical staff, The Military and Public Works are not First Responders. Neither is a pilot, his job is to fly the plane.
Every human being on this planet is their own first responder but I want to be really clear I am the first responder for myself and my family. I am not your first responder.
I do not have any obligation to ride to the sound of the guns because you failed to take the same preparedness steps that I did.
If and that's a really big if,
I'm out in public with my family my first and only mission is to ensure their safety.
I'm not going to leave my family defenseless to go rescue yours.
Belt Fed
Emissary
As
As a Military medical staff pilot i am totally offended.
Also you change yer mind about shootin them blades?
As a Military medical staff pilot i am totally offended.
Also you change yer mind about shootin them blades?
BassCliff
Ronin
Hi,
That is totally understandable and reasonable. The author related a situation where his family were not involved and safe. He responded as per his training.
I liked the distinction between "First Responder" and "Good Samaritan", although a Good Samaritan may be the first one to respond. There have been a couple of instances where I have given aid and I would do it again in the right circumstances. That reminds me that I need to refresh my CPR and Stop the Bleed training.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
That is totally understandable and reasonable. The author related a situation where his family were not involved and safe. He responded as per his training.
I liked the distinction between "First Responder" and "Good Samaritan", although a Good Samaritan may be the first one to respond. There have been a couple of instances where I have given aid and I would do it again in the right circumstances. That reminds me that I need to refresh my CPR and Stop the Bleed training.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
I am afraid that I spent too much time in a blue suit! The Protect and Serve is still strong in me, despite my advanced age. However,I am also aware of the Law of Probability. Too many bad guys after someone else and me with a 380, may make me a good witness…all depends on the terrain and situation.
Let's face it - during a mass casualty event or some other really bad situation, the LEOs are often the third responders, if that. Seen this first hand with natural disasters, fires, mutiple car crashes and more. Neighbors, friends, good samaritans and total strangers are often the first and second responders. So, you do you, if you want to help - go for it. If you want just get out that area and survive - understandable.
OldGrunt
Hellcat
I have to agree with The Night Rider on this one. In the past and in my different careers, I was somewhat trained and even equipped with certain emergency gear. But now I am retired, disabled, and no one is equipping me with any emergency gear. While I might try to be helpful being the first person to come upon an emergency situation, I can only do so much. And as The Night Rider had said, my family comes first. I'm not packing a combat load in my vehicle every time I leave the house, and I am not going to carry around all kinds of emergency gear for the benefit of others. I'll do what's reasonable. Sometimes I swear there are people hoping to get in a gunfight, and some that hope they can roll up on a scene of a mass casualty event.
Belt Fed
Emissary
So......You won't shoot them blades either?
OldGrunt
Hellcat
If they were closer. The closes one to me is about a mile away. A BB from my Red Ryder won't travel that far.
The Night Rider
Hellcat
NGL I'm getting really tired of people talking smack to me about the Turbines.
I had nothing to do with putting them up. They were there before me they'll be there after me and TBH nobody really cares what I (or you)
think about them.
This is the mailing address for the owners of the Turbines.
NextEra Energy Partners, LP
700 Universe Boulevard
Juno Beach, FL 33408
If you have a beef tell them.
I had nothing to do with putting them up. They were there before me they'll be there after me and TBH nobody really cares what I (or you)
think about them.
This is the mailing address for the owners of the Turbines.
NextEra Energy Partners, LP
700 Universe Boulevard
Juno Beach, FL 33408
If you have a beef tell them.
Belt Fed
Emissary
Dude! i'm just messin with you. i know you ain't gonna shoot them and neither would i, Maybe not.
. sheesh i bet yer the life of a party.
Lo-Profile
Custom
I've worked at a job that was considered a "first responder"
I've worked as a "essential worker" during Biden's plan'demic.
Now I'm retired and ain't responding to a damned thing that doesn't interfere with me or my wife's activities.
I've worked as a "essential worker" during Biden's plan'demic.
Now I'm retired and ain't responding to a damned thing that doesn't interfere with me or my wife's activities.
Randall Wilson
Elite
Retired Bum
Professional
Much will depend upon the situation and needs. I will be vacating the area if there is gunfire, if at all possible. If not, I will look for coverage, not concealment, for wife and I. If it's medical, MVA or something else, I will render the aid possible, and in all cases, dial 911!
Rule number one, DON'T BECOME A VICTIM!!!!!
Rule number one, DON'T BECOME A VICTIM!!!!!
KillerFord1977
Emissary
Sometimes being the first responder is being the only person around to call 911. That may be the most important thing needed.
Calvin Calkins
Alpha
Would you consider a natural gas tech or linemen a first responder? We are trained not do the wrong thing in our field of work that most people would that would get them killed or many others.Hello all, here is today's article posted on TheArmoryLife.com. It is titled “What Is a Citizen First Responder?” and can be found at https://www.thearmorylife.com/what-is-a-citizen-first-responder/.
Oldmountaiman
Custom
I'm to old now to be a first responder even though back in the 50s I was considered to be one and trained to be one. Now it's taking care of family and don't get in the way,as time marches many things change.
jeffhuey1n
Alpha
I’m retired military. In the Marine Corps and Air Force, situations occurred that required an immediate response. The quote “running towards the battle” covers a plethora of situations. I’ve responded to a vehicle fire on the flight line. In that one a pickup caught fire while parked next to a fully fueled cargo jet. No time to wait for the fire crews. I’ve responded to a helicopter crash that happened almost right in front of me. There was little time to think that one through. Respond, disarm, stabilize, and make it as safe to move as I could. It took a team but we got it done. There are many more times over the years where I had to respond correctly or equipment, personnel and/or aircraft could be damaged or destroyed.
I’m a helicopter Crew Chief. It’s not if it will go wrong, it’s when it will go wrong. One thing that was necessary in my career was an open mind, learn as much as I could in my career field, and look at the world with the understanding that stuff goes sideways at the drop of a hat. Never used a firearm during those years although I did carry on at least one occasion.
The world can go FUBAR in an instance. All we can do is our best and move on.
SFMF
I’m a helicopter Crew Chief. It’s not if it will go wrong, it’s when it will go wrong. One thing that was necessary in my career was an open mind, learn as much as I could in my career field, and look at the world with the understanding that stuff goes sideways at the drop of a hat. Never used a firearm during those years although I did carry on at least one occasion.
The world can go FUBAR in an instance. All we can do is our best and move on.
SFMF
MN.Militia
Hellcat
May as well toss my 2 pennies' worth in, even though pennies have been phased out....
In all my years, most of the time things would happen OFF-duty. I moved to MN from Indiana to escape the ruckus and wouldn't ya know, my 1st winter here (avg. air temp -35F) an old lady was ahead of me on the highway going out-of-town and she hit an icy patch & started to slide, overcorrected, and the instant her car left the pavement and bit into the soft shoulder sideways at 60MPH, her car flipped four times & landed on the roof. I had medical gear but no glass punch in my pickup, that was in my car. Fortunately, an off-duty Ranger rolled up a minute later and he had one. After that, I kept one in both vehicles.
When others showed up, the lady (age 75-ish) had regained consciousness and was ready to be extracted (w/cervical collar etc). The lesson here is that you'll have far greater odds of rolling up on a medical emergency than find yourself in a defensive shooting, especially if you're living in the boondocks close to designated wilderness lands...
Either way, train hard & often so you're generally prepared. Remember the Boy Scout marching song!
In all my years, most of the time things would happen OFF-duty. I moved to MN from Indiana to escape the ruckus and wouldn't ya know, my 1st winter here (avg. air temp -35F) an old lady was ahead of me on the highway going out-of-town and she hit an icy patch & started to slide, overcorrected, and the instant her car left the pavement and bit into the soft shoulder sideways at 60MPH, her car flipped four times & landed on the roof. I had medical gear but no glass punch in my pickup, that was in my car. Fortunately, an off-duty Ranger rolled up a minute later and he had one. After that, I kept one in both vehicles.
When others showed up, the lady (age 75-ish) had regained consciousness and was ready to be extracted (w/cervical collar etc). The lesson here is that you'll have far greater odds of rolling up on a medical emergency than find yourself in a defensive shooting, especially if you're living in the boondocks close to designated wilderness lands...
Either way, train hard & often so you're generally prepared. Remember the Boy Scout marching song!
PAGunGuy
Custom
So I am in a weird grey (gray?) area.
I work as a parole agent. I am issued a firearm and have arrest powers but only of parolees. By PA law I am considered a "peace officer". I can't stop an actual crime in progress anymore than any other citizen.
But you better believe that if I have a chance to help, I am. Off duty or on duty.
Not becuase of my job, but becuase I am an American, a male a Christian, and a human being.
I fell that even being just one of those things, I have an obligation to help others.
I always carry a firearm and keep a small trauma kit in my car, and on certain occasions, carry on me. I am trained in CPR, First Aid and Stop the Bleed.
So whether we are talking an active shooter or an accident scene, I am doing what I can to help.
I couldn't live with myself knowing I didn't try to do something.
But that is my nickel (becuase, yeah, pennies are fazed out so I am rounding up)
I work as a parole agent. I am issued a firearm and have arrest powers but only of parolees. By PA law I am considered a "peace officer". I can't stop an actual crime in progress anymore than any other citizen.
But you better believe that if I have a chance to help, I am. Off duty or on duty.
Not becuase of my job, but becuase I am an American, a male a Christian, and a human being.
I fell that even being just one of those things, I have an obligation to help others.
I always carry a firearm and keep a small trauma kit in my car, and on certain occasions, carry on me. I am trained in CPR, First Aid and Stop the Bleed.
So whether we are talking an active shooter or an accident scene, I am doing what I can to help.
I couldn't live with myself knowing I didn't try to do something.
But that is my nickel (becuase, yeah, pennies are fazed out so I am rounding up)