Pitdogg2
Professional
Hanks make one as well. I thought about it but the Harness leather stopped the thought for now.
Your Summer Carry…do you .380?
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I always preferred my Shield for EDC but became a capacity whore and went through a few of the sub compacts. The Hellcat was the closest in accuracy. When the plus was released I made the purchase and have been carrying it since. I am slightly more accurate with Shield and feel I have better control. The grip feeling is better on the Plus (to me)and with the accuracy it's the winner. I prefer the Hellcat over my previous 365's, 43's, or MC2. While the Plus is my choice I have no concerns when I carry my Hellcat.
I can see this thread has several responses. IMHO, the only place you want to shoot a .380 is at the range. Most of us, carry the weapon of our choice for one reason and one reason only...STOPPING POWER! And based upon my professional opinion and having attended and witnessed over 200 autopsies, a .380 is useless when it comes to stopping power. It's one of the reasons LE got away from .38's and went to 9mm or 10mm, that besides a 10 yr study of LE Officers showing a terrible "hit ratio" for rounds fired at suspects. Now that study was limited to Field Patrol Officer shootings and not special assignments such as Narcs and SWAT. So carry what you will, but you increase you chances (of stopping power) by using hollow point/Control Expansion rds and training regularly to hone your skills. Remember, when the chips are down and its time to shoot (or don't shoot), most folks go into "brain freeze" and rely on their skills to hit what they're shooting at. Also, don't forget to try and concentrate on what's behind your target so you don't take out some unintended target. And unfortunately, I have seen some good intended citizens come up on charges when they unintentionally hit someone OTHER than a bad guy (or gal) that they were shooting at.
HansGruber
Ronin
An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
by Greg Ellifritz I've been interested in firearm stopping power for a very long time. I remember reading Handguns magazine back in the late 1980s when Evan Marshall was writing articles about his stopping power studies. When Marshall's first book came out in 1992, I ordered it immediately...
May want to read this. All calibers are pretty much equal with two or more rounds on target.
“Stopping power” is a null term.
Bassbob
Emissary
"...having attended and witnessed over 200 autopsies, a .380 is useless when it comes to stopping power."
Hmmm, if you were at autopsies, sounds like the .380 did the job.
Oddly enough I knew 3 guys personally that were killed with .25 pistols. All separate incidents.
DaveHissem
Operator
My quick grab-n-go set up is my PPK in .380 in a Bianchi clip-on and a spare mag for summer when it's just a pair of jeans and a t-shirt. The Walther hides well on my old frame and is "enough" in my opinion for the places I frequent. Just my opinion. I don't put myself in places I have no business being. It's worked my whole life, no reason to change.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
KillerFord1977
SAINT
My thought as well."...having attended and witnessed over 200 autopsies, a .380 is useless when it comes to stopping power."
Frankplsr
Alpha
I don't own a .380 ACP pistol yet, I like the cartridge, but just haven't gotten around to getting one. I typically carry either a SAI Mil-spec 1911A1 or My Sig P320/P226. But if i need to go small, i carry my Hellcat or Walther PP .32ACP. I typically open carry all day long, since my job requires me to carry. I'm an NRA/USCCA firearms instructor as well as work in a gun shop. In NC we are also able to open carry everywhere, Yes i do have my Concealed Carry licenses from several different states, i don't care about the politics of OC vs CC, They both have their advantages and disadvantages. I carry what makes me feel comfortable, not what makes others feel comfortable. I am planning on getting either a Browning M1911 .380 or maybe a SAI 911, not sure yet.
Not really...the dead guys were hit with 9mm, 10 mm and 45's not a .38 or 380. But to each his own and carry what you want."...having attended and witnessed over 200 autopsies, a .380 is useless when it comes to stopping power."
Interesting read for sure. But my comments were based upon MY personal LE experiences (31yrs+) including years as a Homicide Investigator. However, my main point was that people should carry whatever weapon and ammo they feel works for them. But I do disagree that "Stopping Power" is a "null term." How does "NEUTRALIZE the threat" sound? Best regards.An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power | Buckeye Firearms Association
by Greg Ellifritz I've been interested in firearm stopping power for a very long time. I remember reading Handguns magazine back in the late 1980s when Evan Marshall was writing articles about his stopping power studies. When Marshall's first book came out in 1992, I ordered it immediately...www.buckeyefirearms.org
May want to read this. All calibers are pretty much equal with two or more rounds on target.
“Stopping power” is a null term.
HansGruber
Ronin
Because if I fire a poorly placed .22 LR that gives a minor wound, but my assailant decides that they’re done, and retreats/ends the attack, they’ve been “neutralized”, and therefore that .22 had 100% effective “stopping power”.
On the other hand, if I end up dumping 14 rounds of .45acp into a bad guy, all of them well placed, but he just plain doesn’t shut down fast enough and ends up taking me out, the .45 has a 0% effective “stopping power”.
That’s why it’s a null term.
ChanceMcCall
Master Class
Backup number 3?
ChanceMcCall
Master Class
Backup number 4.Bet he is a .25 fanboy instead
Jk
Not one .38 or 380 out of over 200 autopsies?
Interesting.
KillerFord1977
SAINT
Inner city thugs have no clue what a .380 or .38 sp is.Not one .38 or 380 out of over 200 autopsies?
when was was the last time you heard them rappin about rollin in a 5.0 with a .380
Sld1959
Hellcat
I really like my Browning 1911
Attachments
I don't live in an inner-city environment, and I sure as h3ll don't listen to rap, so I don't have an answer for you.Inner city thugs have no clue what a .380 or .38 sp is.
when was was the last time you heard them rappin about rollin in a 5.0 with a .380
