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Charlie Kirk shot at gathering.

Nah, that’s not what country is about. I’ll just tell both sides they are a holes and I’m pretty sure I’ll be ok ;)

And suspect there is a lot of cognitive dissonance with people that “think” they are far. They just get caught up in BS rhetoric. if people don’t go “extra” in their opinions it doesn’t make them money and generate clicks.

Nobody should be afraid to speak their mind and worry about being killed. That’s poop
Sure no one should be. Look where it got Charlie Kirk.
 
I am a fan of CK, and his mesage. and consider myself leaning further Right than Left. I do recognize those who disagree and respect thier view, no matter how warped it is. If that makes me an A Hole, I will proudly wear that badge. BTW, I am pretty Country myself.
 
I am a fan of CK, and his mesage. and consider myself leaning further Right than Left. I do recognize those who disagree and respect thier view, no matter how warped it is. If that makes me an A Hole, I will proudly wear that badge. BTW, I am pretty Country myself.
Leaning right or left isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about those aligned far right and far left. Left of center and right of center is where i personally believe most sit, and often its a couple of issues/topics near and dear to them that a push them one way or another. Conversely, i didn’t agree with Mr Kirk but like you, understand and respect others views, as you say no matter how warped they are :) What i like about Mr Kirk was the open dialogue he pushed. Get people thinking and challenging their own bias. The only way you learn is by speaking with those with differing opinions than your own, otherwise youre just co-signing your own BS. And really listening, not just waiting for your turn to talk treating it like a debate where there will be a winner decided. You can walk away still disagreeing but having an understanding of why that person feels that way.
 
Leaning right or left isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about those aligned far right and far left. Left of center and right of center is where i personally believe most sit, and often its a couple of issues/topics near and dear to them that a push them one way or another. Conversely, i didn’t agree with Mr Kirk but like you, understand and respect others views, as you say no matter how warped they are :) What i like about Mr Kirk was the open dialogue he pushed. Get people thinking and challenging their own bias. The only way you learn is by speaking with those with differing opinions than your own, otherwise youre just co-signing your own BS. And really listening, not just waiting for your turn to talk treating it like a debate where there will be a winner decided. You can walk away still disagreeing but having an understanding of why that person feels that way.
Thank you for the clarification, we are in agreement on all said above. I misunderstood and apologize to you friend. Very "Charged" time for our country indeed.
 
I was not totally into CK stuff but would watch clips from time to time. He had my respect on doing what he did even though I didn’t agree with everything he stood for. This country in my opinion has gotten away from the 1st amendment and he paid a price for it. Yes we all have rights to believe what we believe and should be able to have a forum to even “agree to disagree”.
 
I was not totally into CK stuff but would watch clips from time to time. He had my respect on doing what he did even though I didn’t agree with everything he stood for. This country in my opinion has gotten away from the 1st amendment and he paid a price for it. Yes we all have rights to believe what we believe and should be able to have a forum to even “agree to disagree”.
Well said.
 
"Example: Burning an American Flag is protected under the First Amendment as freedom of speech and expression. Burn a Pride flag, and oh brother you WILL go to jail for committing an act of hate speech."
I'm replying to this post not because I agree or disagree with it specifically, but because it mentions one of my main issues with interpretation of certain amendments. This poster has quoted the 1st as I've indicated in his writing above, and again I'm in no way arguing with the poster, only to show my point .... In my mind the 1st says nothing about 'expression', it specifically says this:
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It mentions speech, but nothing about any 'expression'. Now obviously the SCOTUS has ruled some years ago that expression can be considered 'speech'. I think the ruling had to do with some so-called artist throwing feces on a Rosary on a painting of the Virgin Mary, or something really similar. My whole point is that we all have a right to SAY whatever we want in regards to our government. But nowhere does it address what we can or can't say to an individual or any other entity other than the government. It in no way claims to protects us from consequences brought about by our personal and/or private speech. Now, I know every Amendment can be argued to include/exclude many things, but in my mind and reasoning they should be held to what they clearly say and as written. Yes, I'm a strict 'Originalist' and if the amendment included the word 'expression', then it would be open to interpreting the burning of the American or any other flag, throwing feces on a rosary, etc, but that word is not included. And I believe it just as wrong for SCOTUS or any other court to create specific definitions of some speech such as 'hate' speech to make it inclusive in the constitution.
 
I'm replying to this post not because I agree or disagree with it specifically, but because it mentions one of my main issues with interpretation of certain amendments. This poster has quoted the 1st as I've indicated in his writing above, and again I'm in no way arguing with the poster, only to show my point .... In my mind the 1st says nothing about 'expression', it specifically says this:
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It mentions speech, but nothing about any 'expression'. Now obviously the SCOTUS has ruled some years ago that expression can be considered 'speech'. I think the ruling had to do with some so-called artist throwing feces on a Rosary on a painting of the Virgin Mary, or something really similar. My whole point is that we all have a right to SAY whatever we want in regards to our government. But nowhere does it address what we can or can't say to an individual or any other entity other than the government. It in no way claims to protects us from consequences brought about by our personal and/or private speech. Now, I know every Amendment can be argued to include/exclude many things, but in my mind and reasoning they should be held to what they clearly say and as written. Yes, I'm a strict 'Originalist' and if the amendment included the word 'expression', then it would be open to interpreting the burning of the American or any other flag, throwing feces on a rosary, etc, but that word is not included. And I believe it just as wrong for SCOTUS or any other court to create specific definitions of some speech such as 'hate' speech to make it inclusive in the constitution.
I've thought the concept of "hate speech" as ludicrous from its inception (as a means of increasing punishment on a perp). Now we all see that it (hate speech) is only applied to some speech and not other speech. It is incrementalism.
 
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