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Charlie Kirk shot at gathering.

Sharks79 said:
Nah, that’s not what country is about. I’ll just tell both sides they are a holes and I’m pretty sure I’ll be ok ;)

And suspect there is a lot of cognitive dissonance with people that “think” they are far. They just get caught up in BS rhetoric. if people don’t go “extra” in their opinions it doesn’t make them money and generate clicks.

Nobody should be afraid to speak their mind and worry about being killed. That’s poop
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Sure no one should be. Look where it got Charlie Kirk.
 
I am a fan of CK, and his mesage. and consider myself leaning further Right than Left. I do recognize those who disagree and respect thier view, no matter how warped it is. If that makes me an A Hole, I will proudly wear that badge. BTW, I am pretty Country myself.
 
SL66 said:
I am a fan of CK, and his mesage. and consider myself leaning further Right than Left. I do recognize those who disagree and respect thier view, no matter how warped it is. If that makes me an A Hole, I will proudly wear that badge. BTW, I am pretty Country myself.
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Leaning right or left isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about those aligned far right and far left. Left of center and right of center is where i personally believe most sit, and often its a couple of issues/topics near and dear to them that a push them one way or another. Conversely, i didn’t agree with Mr Kirk but like you, understand and respect others views, as you say no matter how warped they are :) What i like about Mr Kirk was the open dialogue he pushed. Get people thinking and challenging their own bias. The only way you learn is by speaking with those with differing opinions than your own, otherwise youre just co-signing your own BS. And really listening, not just waiting for your turn to talk treating it like a debate where there will be a winner decided. You can walk away still disagreeing but having an understanding of why that person feels that way.
 
Sharks79 said:
Leaning right or left isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about those aligned far right and far left. Left of center and right of center is where i personally believe most sit, and often its a couple of issues/topics near and dear to them that a push them one way or another. Conversely, i didn’t agree with Mr Kirk but like you, understand and respect others views, as you say no matter how warped they are :) What i like about Mr Kirk was the open dialogue he pushed. Get people thinking and challenging their own bias. The only way you learn is by speaking with those with differing opinions than your own, otherwise youre just co-signing your own BS. And really listening, not just waiting for your turn to talk treating it like a debate where there will be a winner decided. You can walk away still disagreeing but having an understanding of why that person feels that way.
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Thank you for the clarification, we are in agreement on all said above. I misunderstood and apologize to you friend. Very "Charged" time for our country indeed.
 
I was not totally into CK stuff but would watch clips from time to time. He had my respect on doing what he did even though I didn’t agree with everything he stood for. This country in my opinion has gotten away from the 1st amendment and he paid a price for it. Yes we all have rights to believe what we believe and should be able to have a forum to even “agree to disagree”.
 
Jsimon78 said:
I was not totally into CK stuff but would watch clips from time to time. He had my respect on doing what he did even though I didn’t agree with everything he stood for. This country in my opinion has gotten away from the 1st amendment and he paid a price for it. Yes we all have rights to believe what we believe and should be able to have a forum to even “agree to disagree”.
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Well said.
 
Model 457 said:
"Example: Burning an American Flag is protected under the First Amendment as freedom of speech and expression. Burn a Pride flag, and oh brother you WILL go to jail for committing an act of hate speech."
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I'm replying to this post not because I agree or disagree with it specifically, but because it mentions one of my main issues with interpretation of certain amendments. This poster has quoted the 1st as I've indicated in his writing above, and again I'm in no way arguing with the poster, only to show my point .... In my mind the 1st says nothing about 'expression', it specifically says this:
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It mentions speech, but nothing about any 'expression'. Now obviously the SCOTUS has ruled some years ago that expression can be considered 'speech'. I think the ruling had to do with some so-called artist throwing feces on a Rosary on a painting of the Virgin Mary, or something really similar. My whole point is that we all have a right to SAY whatever we want in regards to our government. But nowhere does it address what we can or can't say to an individual or any other entity other than the government. It in no way claims to protects us from consequences brought about by our personal and/or private speech. Now, I know every Amendment can be argued to include/exclude many things, but in my mind and reasoning they should be held to what they clearly say and as written. Yes, I'm a strict 'Originalist' and if the amendment included the word 'expression', then it would be open to interpreting the burning of the American or any other flag, throwing feces on a rosary, etc, but that word is not included. And I believe it just as wrong for SCOTUS or any other court to create specific definitions of some speech such as 'hate' speech to make it inclusive in the constitution.
 
jumpinjoe said:
I'm replying to this post not because I agree or disagree with it specifically, but because it mentions one of my main issues with interpretation of certain amendments. This poster has quoted the 1st as I've indicated in his writing above, and again I'm in no way arguing with the poster, only to show my point .... In my mind the 1st says nothing about 'expression', it specifically says this:
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution states:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It mentions speech, but nothing about any 'expression'. Now obviously the SCOTUS has ruled some years ago that expression can be considered 'speech'. I think the ruling had to do with some so-called artist throwing feces on a Rosary on a painting of the Virgin Mary, or something really similar. My whole point is that we all have a right to SAY whatever we want in regards to our government. But nowhere does it address what we can or can't say to an individual or any other entity other than the government. It in no way claims to protects us from consequences brought about by our personal and/or private speech. Now, I know every Amendment can be argued to include/exclude many things, but in my mind and reasoning they should be held to what they clearly say and as written. Yes, I'm a strict 'Originalist' and if the amendment included the word 'expression', then it would be open to interpreting the burning of the American or any other flag, throwing feces on a rosary, etc, but that word is not included. And I believe it just as wrong for SCOTUS or any other court to create specific definitions of some speech such as 'hate' speech to make it inclusive in the constitution.
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I've thought the concept of "hate speech" as ludicrous from its inception (as a means of increasing punishment on a perp). Now we all see that it (hate speech) is only applied to some speech and not other speech. It is incrementalism.
 
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Sharks79 said:
Personally if you are far either side i think your an a hole
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Ok, If i don't believe men should be playing in womens sports, I don't believe men belong in womens bathrooms, if i don't believe the BLM riots were mostly peaceful protest, If i believe the Jan 6th was a setup from the word go, if i don't believe government should tell me what to put in my body, If i believe the jerk that stabbed the woman on the subway should have never made it off there alive, If i believe the CK shooter should get the death penalty when convicted, if i believe all guns and i mean all guns should be legal without all the paperwork, if i believe democrats are trying to destroy this country. if i believe lots of politicians on both sides should be in prison. does all that make me a far right A hole? if so put that label on me. just what makes one a FAR right A hole?
 
Belt Fed said:
Ok, If i don't believe men should be playing in womens sports, I don't believe men belong in womens bathrooms, if i don't believe the BLM riots were mostly peaceful protest, If i believe the Jan 6th was a setup from the word go, if i don't believe government should tell me what to put in my body, If i believe the jerk that stabbed the woman on the subway should have never made it off there alive, If i believe the CK shooter should get the death penalty when convicted, if i believe all guns and i mean all guns should be legal without all the paperwork, if i believe democrats are trying to destroy this country. if i believe lots of politicians on both sides should be in prison. does all that make me a far right A hole? if so put that label on me. just what makes one a FAR right A hole?
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I'm with you!
 
Belt Fed said:
Ok, If i don't believe men should be playing in womens sports, I don't believe men belong in womens bathrooms, if i don't believe the BLM riots were mostly peaceful protest, If i believe the Jan 6th was a setup from the word go, if i don't believe government should tell me what to put in my body, If i believe the jerk that stabbed the woman on the subway should have never made it off there alive, If i believe the CK shooter should get the death penalty when convicted, if i believe all guns and i mean all guns should be legal without all the paperwork, if i believe democrats are trying to destroy this country. if i believe lots of politicians on both sides should be in prison. does all that make me a far right A hole? if so put that label on me. just what makes one a FAR right A hole?
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Yes there’s extreme on both sides but you have morals. There’s a difference between both. It’s ok to be labeled an A 🕳️ because I have my A 🕳️ merit badge. I think society needs to come to an understanding that everyone is different and not everyone is like them. There’s too many people with hatred in their life and some take it too far. Look what happened to Lincoln, JFK, MLK, and now CK. Then we do the school shootings since ‘99. It’s just a screwup world out there but also good if we look for it. Just remember to be who you are and don’t let the negativity wreck your good traits because getting out of it sucks.
 
Wished i hadn't watched the video of Kirk or the stabbing of that girl. i will never forget the look on her face. you didn't see much after Kirk was hit. but that poor girl you watched her die. truly sad what we have become but i'm just an A hole so what do i know.
 
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