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Almost had to draw my gun "4 legged variety"

What I have a real problem with are the folks who refuse to realize their dogs are vicious. I mentioned my friends Pit Bull, It has made me refuse to go to their house. We are still good friends but I no longer hang out with him at his place. So far I have avoided the topic but its gonna come up at some point..

I have no problem with protective dogs BUT theres protective and then theres aggressive
 
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We got our latest GSD from a local litter. We spent time socializing her with people and other dogs. Will she jump up on someone? (sadly, yes) But it's because she wants to meet and greet, and since she's a GSD, we keep her on leash except in the house and in the backyard. When I walk her around the neighborhood, I carry (as I generally do everywhere). I will shoot any dog (or fox, or coyote, or whatever) that puts teeth on her.

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The Night Rider said:
I honestly don't understand what you're trying to communicate. I'm not going to shoot my granddaughter and I never said that I had any intention of doing so.

What I said was it if I ever see that dog running loose I'm going to kill it.
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Wow. I never said anything about shooting your granddaughter. Not specifically or hypothetically.

Hypothetically speaking, I can see why you're having trouble understanding.....hypothetically.

I cerainly understand what YOU'RE saying, and i get it. My apologies for not being able to explain myself well enough for you

You're not a cop, are you ?
 
Mr. Untactical said:
We got our latest GSD from a local litter. We spent time socializing her with people and other dogs. Will she jump up on someone? (sadly, yes) But it's because she wants to meet and greet, and since she's a GSD, we keep her on leash except in the house and in the backyard.

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We've had a bunch of GSDs. It's our responsibility to socialize them. They look scary and some people freak out. Most people realize she's charging to the end of her leash with a smile on her face to greet them.

But if someone pulls out a gun, i might not take the time to hesirate to consider who the target of his gunshot is going to be. Why would anybody take that time ? That hesitation is what could kill me.

I guess some people would be comfortable if their pissed-off neighbor was waving a gun around, but not me.

Is it that hard to understand ?
 
I didn't mean to start a **** storm I was just trying to make a point on my decision to carry at all times which I do the gun I was carrying was sufficient to get the job done it was my 45 commander I built but I actually have my Sbardella 45 set up for the task loaded with 250 grain plus p rnfp cast which I almost took but I just an married to my personal build.
Maybe I'll switch off next time and take it instead ?
 
Muzzlestuffer said:
Well how many times you question the need to carry or say I'll never need this thing ??
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I read an article by Massad Ayoob several years in which he said (paraphrased) If you're ever involved in a self defense shooting one of the first time questions the cops are going to ask you is why were you carrying a gun?

He went on to say that you're better off if you can say "I carry a gun everyday and today was no different."

I put my gun on when I get dressed in the morning and anyone in my immediate family can testify to that.
 
The Night Rider said:
I read an article by Massad Ayoob several years in which he said (paraphrased) If you're ever involved in a self defense shooting one of the first time questions the cops are going to ask you is why were you carrying a gun?

He went on to say that you're better off if you can say "I carry a gun everyday and today was no different."

I put my gun on when I get dressed in the morning and anyone in my immediate family can testify to that.
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Maybe if I'm just running up to the store or wally world but the reality strikes and I realize it's not even safe to do that anymore.
I used to think it was a hassle for whatever reason I could come up with but now if I'm restricted by work it's the only time I'm not armed on my body the vehicle is a different story.
 
Muzzlestuffer said:
I didn't mean to start a **** storm...
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That's my fault if it seemed like i was coming on too strong. I didn't mean to come off quite like that, and I'm sorry. Nobody gets what I'm trying to say anyway because they aren't divorcing themselves from the one particular incident.

All I'm trying to say generally is there are certain things you should or shouldn't do. One of which is don't shoot my dog. Or my granddaughters'. YMMV. My apologies.
 
Muzzlestuffer said:
Maybe if I'm just running up to the store or wally world but the reality strikes and I realize it's not even safe to do that anymore.
I used to think it was a hassle for whatever reason I could come up with but now if I'm restricted by work it's the only time I'm not armed on my body the vehicle is a different story.
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That's 'cuz you live in America.

I live in California.
 
last2brake said:
All I'm trying to say generally is there are certain things you should or shouldn't do. One of which is don't shoot my dog. Or my granddaughters'. YMMV. My apologies.
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Practically speaking I think OC spray is a better solution for a dog than shooting it.

But once a dog has proved itself to be vicious it needs to be put down.

The dog that ate my face has proven itself to be vicious.

For me to walk up and shoot the dog behind the fence would start a war. Otherwise I'd do exactly that.

I've made my Rules of Engagement CRYSTAL clear and everybody in the family believes me.

Nobody can say they weren't forewarned
 
PieterCoetzee said:
Pepper spray doesnt work the same way on dogs as it doe on humans.

If you insist on something Less Lethal for dogs get a Taser NOT a stun gun but a real TASER
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Many years ago, right after high school, i had a temporary job outdoors.
They gave us a dog emitter that is suppose to keep bad dogs away.
It made a high pitch sound.

What I found was, a friendly dog would tilt his head left and right and would just sit there.
Every angry dog, the high pitch noise made zero difference.
 
Onewolf426 said:
I don't care what anybody says, pitbulls were BRED for one thing and one thing only: to kill. They were specifically bred to fight in pits to the death. Period. Full stop.
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BS!
Yes, you're correct in that they are game dogs. The old timers knew the dangers of these dogs. They killed ALL that showed aggression towards humans!! Period full stop.
They were never fought to the death, That's fake news. Originally the fights were only for breeding purposes, best males and females were bred. You didn't fight to the death as your breed line stock you worked so hard to "perfect" would go no where.
They were absolutely bred to be ""sweet, lovable, gentle" dogs" to humans yet a catastrophe to furry creatures that is why they make such great catch dogs for hog hunting.
I could go on because I know this for a fact! My family has bred these for over a hundred years. there was very stringent rules for matches. They just didn't turn them loose and let them fight until one died!
Once again I am talking the old timers, this all went to hell in a hand basket once the gangbangers and mobsters got involved.
I've walked into many breeders yards full of pit dogs that didn't know me from Adam and was able to walk up and pet every one. This is required when I went looking for new puppies or breeding male or female to buy from a breeder I was not familiar with. If the dogs were aggressive I left, no sale.
Carry on with your nonsensical horse hockey.
There are dogs out there specifically bred to catch humans I'm sure you can come up with which ones those are. The cops use them, they were bred for livestock herding, humans just happened to be "livestock"...
 
Pitdogg2 said:
BS!
Yes, you're correct in that they are game dogs. The old timers knew the dangers of these dogs. They killed ALL that showed aggression towards humans!! Period full stop.
They were never fought to the death, That's fake news. Originally the fights were only for breeding purposes, best males and females were bred. You didn't fight to the death as your breed line stock you worked so hard to "perfect" would go no where.
They were absolutely bred to be ""sweet, lovable, gentle" dogs" to humans yet a catastrophe to furry creatures that is why they make such great catch dogs for hog hunting.
I could go on because I know this for a fact! My family has bred these for over a hundred years. there was very stringent rules for matches. They just didn't turn them loose and let them fight until one died!
Once again I am talking the old timers, this all went to hell in a hand basket once the gangbangers and mobsters got involved.
I've walked into many breeders yards full of pit dogs that didn't know me from Adam and was able to walk up and pet every one. This is required when I went looking for new puppies or breeding male or female to buy from a breeder I was not familiar with. If the dogs were aggressive I left, no sale.
Carry on with your nonsensical horse hockey.
There are dogs out there specifically bred to catch humans I'm sure you can come up with which ones those are. The cops use them, they were bred for livestock herding, humans just happened to be "livestock"...
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You forgot about the pit bulls as we know them today were specifically bred to Dog fight gambling just as Cock fights were.

When I lived in Miami, I went to a secluded Cock fight where the Cubans love to see and gamble on the winner.
Yes it was very bloody as they had big fishing hooks tied to their legs to fight.

During break time most would go outside and smoke their Cuban cigars, salsa would be playing and open their trunks and out comes loads of Bier.

I never went back as too bloody and cruel for me to see again but at least I saw in person exactly what real dog fights with pit bulls and cock fights were about.
 
It is sad that even a pit bull has to be put down because of its negligent owner who does not control the dog.. There are pit bulls who are not aggressive, just are there are Rotties, Dobermans and German Shepards. Some people should never be allowed to have a firearm or a dog.

Our Rottie is a loving family member because we treat her and the five previous Rotties that way. None showed aggression, all were trained and raised to be well behaved and calm. Protective, absolutely. If anyone or anything were to attack my wife, I have no doubt our female Rottie would defend her. She is my wife's constant companion.
 

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You forgot about the pit bulls as we know them today were specifically bred to Dog fight gambling just as Cock fights were.
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I've not forgotten anything!
You are correct in that like any breed when there's money to be made, quickly, you'll get scatter bred critters. Take a close look at Cane' Corso's today. Lot's of problems. Dalmatians after the Disney movie, lots of problems.
I could go on, you get my point.
The 90's was the horrible turning point in the APBT, too many brother, sister, mom to son dad to daughter because no one cared about bloodlines, just how fast can we make money.
My point is the vast majority was bred for money.
Breeding for the psychotic aspect, well you must also be around it as well as your kids, so stupid is as stupid does.
These dogs do not deserve the reputation they have gotten anymore than to say your brother is a murderer so your entire families are murderers.
 
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