165 Grain 40 S&W Is It Dead?
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USMC6094
Professional
You needed Ammoseek.........
I like data.
Jsimon78
Custom
I honestly like how .40 is right behind 10. Both calibers are fun to shoot.
WellArmed
Custom
That's odd. 165 and 180 gr 40S&W is the most popular, widely used, carried, and talked about. I'm not sure what articles you are referring to and where you've been looking.
I only carry and shoot 180 gr 40S&W. I'm not interested in the lighter bullets. I carry 180 gr Gold Dot or 175 gr Federal Syntech Defense in my EDC.
USMC6094
Professional
40 is a middle weight, a compromise between a full power cartridge and a "Special".
I carried 40 as a service round, on, and off duty. I shot it in both IPSC and USPSA, from my duty gear, shooting duty equivalent FMJ ammo, and i shot more than our SRT(see SWAT) team.
Given the choice, and being unencumbered by department regulations, I'd pick 10mm over 40, but if I had no other choice, I wouldn't feel under armed carrying a 40.
But, that's just me......
I carried 40 as a service round, on, and off duty. I shot it in both IPSC and USPSA, from my duty gear, shooting duty equivalent FMJ ammo, and i shot more than our SRT(see SWAT) team.
Given the choice, and being unencumbered by department regulations, I'd pick 10mm over 40, but if I had no other choice, I wouldn't feel under armed carrying a 40.
But, that's just me......
WellArmed
Custom
What does a 10mm do that 40s&w can't do when it comes to defensive against humans? If it comes to hunting with hardcast, where greater penetration is required, then I agree that 10mm is better than 40s&w in that respect. When it comes to conceal carry, size, weight, price of ammo, and defense against two legged predators, I don't see how 10mm is better other than it's the flavor of the month that's on the bandwagon that everyone suddenly wants to jump on. I'm genuinely curious because I don't think 10mm defensive ammo does anything at all better or is better at quick incapacitation of a human being in anyway, shape, or form than a 40s&w.
This doesn't apply to you @USMC6094, but I also don't understand how many of the same people who bash 40s&w as being too snappy, hard to make follow up shots, and too expensive compared to 9mm will rave about and have now problem with the more expensive and snappier 10mm cartridge.
Biggfoot44
Master Class
Well , there is a distinction .
9mm is very popular in all size of pistols , notably the very popular class of very small & light , quasi pocket sized .
10mm is primarily in full size -ish guns , with the G29 being the small end of the spectrum .
9mm is very popular in all size of pistols , notably the very popular class of very small & light , quasi pocket sized .
10mm is primarily in full size -ish guns , with the G29 being the small end of the spectrum .
Jsimon78
Custom
That’s what a .40 is for. I know the 10MM has a little more kick depending on who makes it with the 180 grain.
You could get some blistering fast rounds with 165gr in a 10mm SAAMI spec load.
Jsimon78
Custom
10MM is already watered down enough to .40 S&W. True 10MM is like the .357 of revolvers.
Grain weight of a bullet has nothing to do with "watering down." There are full-power 165gr loads.
WellArmed
Custom
That's not what he was saying or at least how I read it. He was basically say that in general, most commercial 10mm is watered down.
Biggfoot44
Master Class
Back in the Day , both .40 and 10mm were offered with full smorgasborg of 135 , 150/55 , 165 , 180 , and 200 gr options .
.40 options are now 180 , and 165 , with only a couple 155 options hanging on . [ The Biggfoot Endorsement is strongly on 165 .]
.40 options are now 180 , and 165 , with only a couple 155 options hanging on . [ The Biggfoot Endorsement is strongly on 165 .]
Jsimon78
Custom
I did try to convey that. I know supply and demand plays a factor on different levels plus who is making it at which level.
Interesting - I find loads for every one of those weights on AmmoSeek.