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Federal Feud! HST vs Punch Ammo
Side by side testing and analysis of Federal's HST vs Punch ammo line-up. Which of these self-defense loads should you trust?www.ammunitiontogo.com
.45 acp Punch
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rcurtner
Custom
Lucky Gunner labs showed info I think on this round. Expansion was a full inch, don't remember what the penetration was. Referring to the WW round.
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Pitdogg2
Professional
You should be familiar with Winchester Ranger T, it is the old Black Talon. Black Talon actually had IIRC 4 generations after removal from public consumption.
There is actually two Ranger series. There is the "B" series which is bonded bullet and no petals, think SXT. The Ranger T is the talon bullet but is also bonded to the jacket as well.
I do not believe it is in production anymore, everything I've been buying has been Law Enforcement trade in ammo. In fact I've bought hundreds of round from SGammo and every box has had a purchase/stock date wrote in black magic marker. Both SGammo and my local firearms store stated they took it in on trade. So basically in with the LEO Ranger T .45acp and out the door with something in 9mm.
I guess I should state that as far as my research the black coating that gave it the "black talon" name didn't make it into the next generations.
Gosh I just wish I could find it in 10mm
I do still have both 9mm and .45acp I bought before it was removed from public consumption. The price was $10 for the 9mm and $13 for the .45 acp. God I love the 1990's price
both 25rd boxes.
Bassbob
Emissary
I'm familiar with it, I just haven't tried any in any of my handguns.You should be familiar with Winchester Ranger T, it is the old Black Talon. Black Talon actually had IIRC 4 generations after removal from public consumption.
There is actually two Ranger series. There is the "B" series which is bonded bullet and no petals, think SXT. The Ranger T is the talon bullet but is also bonded to the jacket as well.
I do not believe it is in production anymore, everything I've been buying has been Law Enforcement trade in ammo. In fact I've bought hundreds of round from SGammo and every box has had a purchase/stock date wrote in black magic marker. Both SGammo and my local firearms store stated they took it in on trade. So basically in with the LEO Ranger T .45acp and out the door with something in 9mm.
I guess I should state that as far as my research the black coating that gave it the "black talon" name didn't make it into the next generations.
Gosh I just wish I could find it in 10mm
I do still have both 9mm and .45acp I bought before it was removed from public consumption. The price was $10 for the 9mm and $13 for the .45 acp. God I love the 1990's price
I agree. Ranger T is my choice for .45acp
HansGruber
Ronin
They made Black Talon in 10mm, but never in the Ranger Same eXact Talon or Ranger T lines, to the best of my knowledge.You should be familiar with Winchester Ranger T, it is the old Black Talon. Black Talon actually had IIRC 4 generations after removal from public consumption.
There is actually two Ranger series. There is the "B" series which is bonded bullet and no petals, think SXT. The Ranger T is the talon bullet but is also bonded to the jacket as well.
I do not believe it is in production anymore, everything I've been buying has been Law Enforcement trade in ammo. In fact I've bought hundreds of round from SGammo and every box has had a purchase/stock date wrote in black magic marker. Both SGammo and my local firearms store stated they took it in on trade. So basically in with the LEO Ranger T .45acp and out the door with something in 9mm.
I guess I should state that as far as my research the black coating that gave it the "black talon" name didn't make it into the next generations.
Gosh I just wish I could find it in 10mm
I do still have both 9mm and .45acp I bought before it was removed from public consumption. The price was $10 for the 9mm and $13 for the .45 acp. God I love the 1990's price
The Winchester Defender/PDX1 lines use the same bullets as Ranger-T, iirc.
Shotgun9728
Alpha
I may try some Ranger .45 on a pig. If I do I'll post the results here.
HansGruber
Ronin
Doesn’t perform nearly as well as a good JHP.
Shotgun9728
Alpha
Have you shot anything alive with them? I have never heard any shooting results with them.
rcurtner
Custom
I'm kinda on the fence with the Lehigh ammo. Have done a little research looking at gel tests and some showed good penetration and fairly large wound cavities. My j-frame is loaded with Lehigh 38 spl +P 100 grainers. I carry this revolver in an ankle holster as last chance back-up.
HansGruber
Ronin
You know, when it comes to the Lehigh/Honey Badger/“cavitation” bullets…
If they were nearly as good as their manufacturer’s claim, pros would be using them.
They don’t. They use JHP’s.
If they were nearly as good as their manufacturer’s claim, pros would be using them.
They don’t. They use JHP’s.
rcurtner
Custom
For the most part I agree with you. My daily carry pistols have HST's in the mags. I think the jury is still out on Lehigh & other non expanding bullets. There may be evidence of actual shootings with these type bullets, just haven't seen it.
Thank You for the link.Federal Feud! HST vs Punch Ammo
Side by side testing and analysis of Federal's HST vs Punch ammo line-up. Which of these self-defense loads should you trust?
Pitdogg2
Professional
Correct they did have 10mm in the original lineup.
There's a difference in the bullet between them. The Ranger bonded, SXT, Defender/PDX1 line do not have the sharp petals that peel out into nice sharp pointy knives like the Talon line.
Shotgun9728
Alpha
Yes. Until I should find out some other info, I carry WW .45 acp Ranger T series in my EDC.
I bought a box of 45 punch and while HST and such gets all the press and acclaim. For most mere mortal scenarios they will probably do the job if the shooter does theirs.
I know these punches are super accurate in my M&P 45 compact 2.0 sound that’s all you can find your probably ok
I know these punches are super accurate in my M&P 45 compact 2.0 sound that’s all you can find your probably ok