Anchorite
Custom
My good man, the post is from 2016.
Ammunition Question
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The Night Rider
Hellcat
How many different ways can I say that I can't answer that question?
The Night Rider
Hellcat
After giving it some thought I'm going to go with my original answer. There are a whole bunch of SMEs who participate at pistol forum and I have not seen that there's any movement over there to take the list down.
I've told the story before but I specifically carry 124 grain Speer +P Golddots because Kathy Jackson, AKA The Cornered Cat recommended them to me specifically. She then directed me to Dr Robert's list and said that anything on it would work just fine.
That's good enough for me.
Jsimon78
Professional
We all shoot what we shoot for different reasons. I do the Hornady critical duty because of a gentleman I know is a retired sheriff. Of course over time I watched Hornady podcast about the how they came to it and watched some YouTube’ers actually doing the test. After all that I’m sold.
Biggfoot44
Custom
It's been a couple decades since Speer discontinued the Flying Ashtray ( the actual projectile , product #4477 ) .
Biggfoot44
Custom
Back on the Original Topic :
Yes , your pistol is perfectly fine ( safe ) with any SAAMI or CIP spec commercial ammunition [ Subject to the obligatory test everything in Your Gun , in Your Hands .]
With Bbl of 3.5 & shorter there might be factors of somewhat reduced velocity and/ or control ability. But with your 4.5in , that's moot .
9mm (9x19) has the "problem" of so many good to very good options of Defensive/ Duty ammunition, that analysis paralysis is easy to fall into. And there are multiple schools of design preferences, and debate about testing protocols .
I admit my bias , that l do not care for 147 . But they are certainly popular, and apparently the better ones don't totally suck .
My general preference is 124 . I have standardized on 124 HST , but freely observe the deciding factor was logistics. [ To my druthers] HST , Gold Dot , and the current branding of Ranger something something, are close enough in performance to not make any difference, and if l could have stacked deep one of the others at similar $ for 50rd boxes , l'd be equally confident.
Yes , your pistol is perfectly fine ( safe ) with any SAAMI or CIP spec commercial ammunition [ Subject to the obligatory test everything in Your Gun , in Your Hands .]
With Bbl of 3.5 & shorter there might be factors of somewhat reduced velocity and/ or control ability. But with your 4.5in , that's moot .
9mm (9x19) has the "problem" of so many good to very good options of Defensive/ Duty ammunition, that analysis paralysis is easy to fall into. And there are multiple schools of design preferences, and debate about testing protocols .
I admit my bias , that l do not care for 147 . But they are certainly popular, and apparently the better ones don't totally suck .
My general preference is 124 . I have standardized on 124 HST , but freely observe the deciding factor was logistics. [ To my druthers] HST , Gold Dot , and the current branding of Ranger something something, are close enough in performance to not make any difference, and if l could have stacked deep one of the others at similar $ for 50rd boxes , l'd be equally confident.
negolien
Master Class
Gold dots are plenty big enough to cause feeding issues especially in 1911's
Anchorite
Custom
I think we all are guilty of overthinking it.
bc22wm
Professional
Where do you people Live? I'm assuming WV stands for West Vladikavkaz.
8777777777777777777777777777777777777777l/ (thats what the cat thinks. he felt that his opinion mattered while I got another cup of coffee). We live in Maine and if you're not familiar with the weather it occasionally gets a bit brisk here. I know for a fact that .22lr will sail through the hair and hide of a moose. 9mm, 38spl, 380, etc. not penetrating winter clothing is way down on my list of concerns.By all means now bring on the horror stories and outlying examples proving I'm wrong.
negolien
Master Class
Stuffing is indeed an issue. Now that doesn't mean it won't penatrate a body but u may not get the expansion desired. I mean u can say it doesn't matter but it is indeed a scientific fact. I mean fmj will go thru people too if ballistics doesn't really matter to you.Where do you people Live? I'm assuming WV stands for West Vladikavkaz.
By all means now bring on the horror stories and outlying examples proving I'm wrong.
bc22wm
Professional
cowpies.
negolien
Master Class
Guess u know more than the scientists and phd's at Hornady and every other manufacturer on the planet lol .
You may have never thought about the effects of fabric and clothing on the performance of ammo. But clothing — especially heavy clothing —has a lot to do with how the bullet expands upon impact. Conventional hollow point bullets often experience tip clogging as the bullet passes through light and heavy clothing, which diminishes expansion and causes unreliable bullet performance.
Taken directly from the Hornady website
The Night Rider
Hellcat
So, what's the verdict, how far from the shooter do you need to be to have your Northface Coat stop a 9mm?
Maybe 350 yards? I've never heard of anyone shooting a 9mm or any firearm caliber for that matter that was stopped by a winter coat, notwithstanding some bearskin off a polar bear......
Maybe 350 yards? I've never heard of anyone shooting a 9mm or any firearm caliber for that matter that was stopped by a winter coat, notwithstanding some bearskin off a polar bear......
bc22wm
Professional
Nope. Never claimed such. You attacking everyone that disagrees you is wearing thin. We were discussing bullets being stopped by winter clothing not terminal performance, bullet expansion, unreliable bullet performance, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, etc.