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Ayoob: Is .45 Still Better Than 9mm?

Winchester67 said:
Well, he is a well connected writer and has been accepted as an acknowledged expert in court as a witness. He grew up around guns and has served for a LONG time as a Peace Officer. What other author pray tell meets your qualifications as a man worth reading?!?
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I didn’t say I don’t read his stuff, just not all the time. I liked the old school writers of past, Col Jeff Cooper, Skeeter Skelton, Bill Jordan, these guys never came off as know it alls like Ayoob does to me, if you like him and his articles, great, but me I’ll pass when I can
 
Winchester67 said:
Fair enough. But I think you are leaving a lot of Knowledge on the table. I grew up in what sounds like the same era as you did. As a small kid that was listening to the Columbia Conference...I learned to listen.
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Yea, I know, but I do scan his articles in American Handgunner if I think it’s something I may be interested in
 
Put a ton of miles carrying .45 acp, 44 magnum and .44 special, never felt underarmed. Started having pain and arthritis in the thumbs and my dr/shooting partner suggested I drop the calibers which start with 4, said it might slow progression and the pain. So...

Now carry 357/38 .380 and my first 9mm. Tested them all and still do not feel underarmed. One does what one needs to do...
 
G Tarver said:
Speer gold dot performs well, Remington golden Saber is a pretty good round, Barnes Vor-Tx is another good choice. All I’m saying is don’t compare the best choice of 9mm ammo with a round that isn’t the best performer in .45 caliber.
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The 230gr HST, or 230rd Golden Saber is pretty hard to beat in the .45acp loads…there’s nothing a 185gr load will do better.
 
Well, no offense intended. I was offering my perception of the man, based on my decades of professional experience and personal albeit casual conversations with the man. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings. But I remain steadfast that he is the most significant writer of our era. Looking forward to hearing your response.
 
Oldmountaiman said:
The 60s when I was a Deputy were different from what your relating to and no NRA toilet paper at our office or department vehicles. Time changes a lot of standards in rules, laws and equipment.
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There was a large PPC presence in the 80’s.

As far as quals yeah it has become a no cop left behind atmosphere. I was at my state academy running a line and a kid failed like multiple times couldn’t pass the last attempt. Before it was a your not a cop. The folks running the program dad “your still graduating but we will bring you back for remedial and qualify uiu just you” I was like WOW some stuff changed.

My own agency made a second qual course just for employment because they were sued by folks fired when they got to FLETC and were fired because they couldn’t grasp it.

Even the Air Marshals dumbed down their course I mean it’s still a little challenging but nothing like before.

So I have seen hat happen to and they doesn’t prepare cops for crisis situations.
Like I say (borrowed from Darryl Bolke) if we were professional guides we wouldn’t take half these cops in a hunt as they have shown they can’t make a heart lung shot on a huge B27 target but the state says we can unleash them in the streets and wonder why they shoot at a perp 15 times with none or one ineffective hits.

But they criticize me because I kept my 45 LOL
 
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I’m not one to engage in caliber wars (personally, I think one should be able to proficiently shoot them all). But I do have a question as I’ve never used a timer before. How exactly do they work. Do I have to push the go button, then draw and shoot? I can’t see how else it would time my draw to first shot, and pushing that button then rushing to draw seems it could be a bit unsafe. I can see how a split time might work as the reports of the rounds could trigger the timer (though I’m not sure how the round reports of the person right next to me wouldn’t interfere).

I’m debating adding this dimension (timer) to my practice, I just want to understand the pros and cons. Thanks.
 
Lab4Us said:
I’m not one to engage in caliber wars (personally, I think one should be able to proficiently shoot them all). But I do have a question as I’ve never used a timer before. How exactly do they work. Do I have to push the go button, then draw and shoot? I can’t see how else it would time my draw to first shot, and pushing that button then rushing to draw seems it could be a bit unsafe. I can see how a split time might work as the reports of the rounds could trigger the timer (though I’m not sure how the round reports of the person right next to me wouldn’t interfere).

I’m debating adding this dimension (timer) to my practice, I just want to understand the pros and cons. Thanks.
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You push the button, and then there’s a brief delay (usually 3-5 seconds); the timer emits a loud beep, and you draw.

The sound of the shot will be registered, and the time displayed (multiple shot strings will show the time hit each shot, as well as the time between shots—aka “split”).

They are a useful tool.
 
HansGruber said:
You push the button, and then there’s a brief delay (usually 3-5 seconds); the timer emits a loud beep, and you draw.

The sound of the shot will be registered, and the time displayed (multiple shot strings will show the time hit each shot, as well as the time between shots—aka “split”).

They are a useful tool.
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How about folks shooting next lane over? Will their shots interfere if a busy range day?
 
Annihilator said:
Not a really fan of Ayoob, but to me to compare the 9mm to .45 is mundane, I remember years ago the cartridge of competition shooters was the .38super mostly. If I still shot bowling pins like I did many moons ago, I’ll still use the .45. So to me it comes down to what your comfortable with, just my thoughts
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Amen, Brother.
 
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