Ayoob: Is .45 Still Better Than 9mm?
- Thread starter Mike H.
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Peachfarmer
Alpha
Active LE 1986-2008, carried .357-9mm-,40 SW, decided to buy Springfield 1911 Operator AOS 5” with the thought of a red dot… love the gun so much decided iron good enough. The article caught my eye and enjoyed all the discussion. Now in my 70’s don’t find the recoil bad and front sight gets back on target quicker than my 3.8” xdm .40. Have to agree with comments about current police training & qualifications, my training was pass or go home with one remedial try.
nah we're still here. Only we can have all of them and not just two. My favorite is the one that does the job.Well shucks, I guess us 10mm guys are out in the cold
Oldmountaiman
Elite
I favor the original bullet from long ago like me, the 200gr does its job and needs no plus. When I do my printing the round still works for me and at 10yds I am still printing at just under 2in. At my age it's defend my mobility was gone a few years back so my job is to protect my wife and home and I will leave the long range to my son.
Actual shootings contain infinite variables, making any best handgun/caliber choice very subjective.
If I could be certain of multiple hits during a high-speed mag dumps, there are some very good ,22 mag cartridges and pistols that will swiss-cheese a violent opponent in seconds.
With the likelihood of everyone involved moving, scoring even one hit at close range, is repeatedly a dismal statistic.
Over the years I have become tired of reading/watching trained police officers relying on any high capacity pistol to do the job, with entire mag dumps and none or only a single minor hit.
During your cover, fire, and maneuver,
settle down and do your best to make the first shot count. If the only firearm you can handle decently is a .22, that is what you should use. My choice is the 1911 in .45 with 230 grain +P loads.
Statistically, mega-round counts are improbable and there is little data supporting incredibly fast, rapid fire as truly effective.
A spare reload is naturally common sense to carry, regardless of caliber.
If I could be certain of multiple hits during a high-speed mag dumps, there are some very good ,22 mag cartridges and pistols that will swiss-cheese a violent opponent in seconds.
With the likelihood of everyone involved moving, scoring even one hit at close range, is repeatedly a dismal statistic.
Over the years I have become tired of reading/watching trained police officers relying on any high capacity pistol to do the job, with entire mag dumps and none or only a single minor hit.
During your cover, fire, and maneuver,
settle down and do your best to make the first shot count. If the only firearm you can handle decently is a .22, that is what you should use. My choice is the 1911 in .45 with 230 grain +P loads.
Statistically, mega-round counts are improbable and there is little data supporting incredibly fast, rapid fire as truly effective.
A spare reload is naturally common sense to carry, regardless of caliber.
rcurtner
Professional
Yes they are!Bigger holes are better.
rcurtner
Professional
Welcome to the forum from South Texas.
I still can't keep track of what is which...
Although I have both calibers, back in the day when they took my .357 Magnum rounds away for .38 Special (appears woke was around in the 80's), decided six .38 rounds ain't enough. What, no one remember why .357 mag was created in the first place? Bought a S&W 659 with it's 15 rounds and found out it needed them. Went to the Range shooting metal plates and went "seriously", then compared to a S&W 645 in .45 acp. The winner was in with the clang vs. the ping, along with knowing of a recent shoot out with 54 9mm rounds exchanged and no penetration of value and one participant hit a couple times and not out of the fight. Give me the flying ashtrays (HP) any day, although I use the 9mm 2011/M-9 for those multi-round days on the Range, getting old and the clang hurts more than the ping.