Ayoob: Is .45 Still Better Than 9mm?

[Shibadog]

.22 is no doubt lethal. Thing is for SD the goal is not lethality-the goal is (or should be) stopping the attack right now. What happens an hour later is moot. Like you said, carry whatever works for you-the all “can” work.

 

[CEW]

That is antiquated reasoning. You are looking at Foot Pounds of Energy which are not as important as we have found out as what terminal ballistics do. (My bowling pin reference in a couple posts earlier) human bodies are not rigid like steel as bullets penetrate through. As Clint Smith says handgun rounds like homes in people rifles like holes through people. and as far as 22lr almost every hit from a 23 rifle in a torso is fatal and it’s FpE is what well under 100 pounds!

While the 45 and 357 are both great rounds shot placement Amd bullet type being the same it’s a wash.

I have seen people shot, thoracic hits some dropped some ran a few steps and dropped no matter the caliber. Others not hit within the CNS or aortic box ran a lot longer.

You want to knock someone over get a rifle!

Yep and why Saint John Browning did what he did at the request of the Military, at the time he did it for the battlefield. That is "incapacity" over lethality... Since the projectile was controlled by rules of war, the big hardball was used so more of said energy, at sub-sonic speeds did its thing, as "well" as it does. I will concede that the pistol is to get me to my rifle and then well different ball game, unless one is slinging one everywhere they go. The other side got the Hi-Power...

 

[3L120]

Horse feces.

If .45 “only takes one”, as you falsely claim, why did it take 14 rounds to drop the bad guy in this incident?

Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job

Before the call that changed Sergeant Timothy Gramins’ life forever, he typically carried 47 rounds of handgun ammunition on his person while on duty

www.police1.com

Note—there were many sold hits to center torso as well as the head.

There is an exception to every rule.

 

[CEW]

There is an exception to every rule.

Funny that is the only one they can point to and more of a testament of a pistol round, as if it had been 9mm, based on bullet weight and mass needed to kill the evil, that could have took over 28... Guess that would have left, naw just would have used em faster.

 

[Biggfoot44]

That is antiquated reasoning. You are looking at Foot Pounds of Energy which are not as important as we have found out as what terminal ballistics do.

Well , actually Lb Feet of Momentum .

 

[Biggfoot44]

I have hunted a lot of different animals over a lot of decades and have seen the effects of different calibers on a lot of medium sized game. Heavier caliber with heavier bullets simply outperform small bore/light calibers in the field.

That's including a Lot More factors than just Ft Lb of Energy .

Diameter
Sectional Density

Each of those has at least as much impact as Energy .

( It hunting context , and having a given that each caliber is using a bullet reasonably suited for relevant game . )

 

[Shibadog]

That's including a Lot More factors than just Ft Lb of Energy .

Diameter
Sectional Density

Each of those has at least as much impact as Energy .

( It hunting context , and having a given that each caliber is using a bullet reasonably suited for relevant game . )

Yup