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Ayoob: Is Open-Carry Irresponsible (or the Right Move)?

I see a lot more people Open Carrying out here, relatively speaking anyway, given they're not a lot of people out here period. Really it's more like just open carried enough to be legal. Most people don't seem to notice.
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I'm retired, I don't care anymore. I'm not being paid to enforce anyone's open carry policy.

I was trying to decide if I had an open carry policy for my home, like if visitors come over, which is a very rare occurrence.

The best I can come up with is if I let you come into my home at all then I trust you in my home with a gun.

Generally speaking I don't care what you do as long as it doesn't affect me.
 
Here in Idaho we have constitutional carry with few exceptions. Open carry is not common in town but out in the hills it’s common. In my medium size town I see it weekly when we’re shopping or running errands. Most folks here are used to it, less so in the city. Personally, I prefer concealed carry in public, open when hunting or fishing. Usually carry a Commander sized 1911 or medium framed revolver. Everyone I know does the same here. An armed society is a polite society, as they say.
 
I just registered, and I'll bet someone else did post this.

I live in Nevada. Open-carry pistols are great anywhere, except at any pubs, taverns, bars, the casinos, etc. where booze are served.
Establishments that I quoted, ALL should have signs up showing real clear on their doors and/or windows prohibiting firearms inside.

I do know for facts that there are establishments like these I quoted have signs up a their doors or windows prohibiting firearms inside.

Have a great one, my fellow USA sisters and brothers.
 
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Tornado said:
I do know for facts that there are establishments like these I quoted have signs up a their doors or windows prohibiting firearms inside.
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And I do know for a fact that they're establishments like that that don't.

I quit drinking in 1982

I haven't been in an actual bar for almost 25 years(?) But I have been in the bar area of a couple of different restaurants which I'm pretty sure is a distinction without a difference. I was carrying a gun. It didn't jump out of my holster and start shooting people.
 
The Night Rider said:
And I do know for a fact that they're establishments like that that don't.

I quit drinking in 1982

I haven't been in an actual bar for almost 25 years(?) But I have been in the bar area of a couple of different restaurants which I'm pretty sure is a distinction without a difference. I was carrying a gun. It didn't jump out of my holster and start shooting people.
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Generally, if you treat your gun right, they won't jump out of your holster and start shooting. You might have to give them a firm talking too some days, just the same.
 
CEW said:
Totally do not agree with intentional open carry in public. The thought of a frisky police officer seeing it accidently being exposed being construed into open carry argument, needs addressing prior to an incident through the writing of the law. I see it as a potentially RARE moment of the above, from a complaint from a whiney 2A opposer. But it can happen.

Having had life threatening incidents of the attempted gun grab, on more than one occasion because it was right there, it is young man's fight. Oh, I was in full uniform at the time when this occurred and you want citizens brandishing around a half crazed early release criminals? From the local "normal" environment, that "fruitcake" in Wal-Mart will and have lost control of their firearm and gotten shot with it!

I love a Westerns, but let's make an attempt not to scare the old ladies and Dimocrat Karen's looking for their next cause. The lamestream media has proven where they lie on this subject, with refusing to cover the up to 2,000,000 stopped crimes by armed citizens today. Remember the shootout at the OK Corral was over not checking your open carry weapons in...

The point is there are people that will abuse this, those incidents will always be a weak flank for the anti-gunners as "you can, but should you." The same people that write articles about not letting the baddie know you are armed will state this is a right. It is, but... Just because you can buy an airplane doesn't mean you can fly it.

Conceal carry with a commonsense approach of a citizen has a right to bear arms, but in a manner of responsibility as when not in uniform assigned as a detective (most of my career), I concealed within reason and with a lot less drama... Just the occasional "Why do you need such a big gun?" Wearing a loose shirt/jacket over an outside the belt holster can be enough. As there is no advertising, a quick flash or ease of drawing to let a potential bad guy you know should be enough. It is done over a million times a year already...
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Wow. You just wrote a whole new article for us.
Sorry to say I didn’t read it all.
 
It’s quite clear that not everyone read the same article…

I agree with the author.
Both sides have strong valid arguments. And I agree with or under both sides. It’s almost logical… if you think if.
What I think people missed is the benefit of an ‘Open Carry Law’…. And how he applies it to the circumstances of daily life. Environment allowing.

It also might be beneficial for people to understand The Law’s interpretation of Open Carry and Concealed Carry…
 
Personally, I would not open carry, but this article raised a possibility in a situation I have been deathly afraid of for a long time and would like this wonderful communities' thoughts on. My biggest fear is getting jumped while filling my car with gas. It happened to my brother, and I feel so vulnerable standing there with one hand on the hose and the other on my concealed carry and my head on a swivel looking all over the place. I have occasionally had someone approach me asking for assistance but the possibility of them wanting to do something nefarious always has me wondering just when to pull and confront the possible threat. If I let them get too close, my odds get less favorable. If I pull and it is an innocent needing a dime or a jump or directions, I could well cause an ugly scene. So, I would love your feedback on the idea of open carry while standing at the pump putting gas in my car. Would this help deter a criminal and maybe reduce the beggars? What do you think would be the downside? Thanks!
 
tgrahamcm said:
Personally, I would not open carry, but this article raised a possibility in a situation I have been deathly afraid of for a long time and would like this wonderful communities' thoughts on. My biggest fear is getting jumped while filling my car with gas. It happened to my brother, and I feel so vulnerable standing there with one hand on the hose and the other on my concealed carry and my head on a swivel looking all over the place. I have occasionally had someone approach me asking for assistance but the possibility of them wanting to do something nefarious always has me wondering just when to pull and confront the possible threat. If I let them get too close, my odds get less favorable. If I pull and it is an innocent needing a dime or a jump or directions, I could well cause an ugly scene. So, I would love your feedback on the idea of open carry while standing at the pump putting gas in my car. Would this help deter a criminal and maybe reduce the beggars? What do you think would be the
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Don’t think discharging a firearm around gasoline vapors is safe at all. Because of science and the fire coming out of the barrel and such…

The fuel coming from the hose itself could be used as a defensive tool… (there is a YouTube video of this exact thing from South Africa)… hi-jack attempt 4 on 1…

You’re already checking the boxes… looking around, being aware of your surroundings… just be careful not to come across as nervous or vulnerable… cool calm and calculated… if you can spot the potential threat before it comes to you then you might have already prevented anything from happening…

Not all the answers… maybe not the best answers either
 
I probably said about the same the last time an article on this subject was published:

I would not personally open carry unless it was on my property. I simply don't believe it's anyone else's business but mine if I'm carrying a firearm and if I happen to need it urgently, I'd rather not have the source of that urgency think I'm armed. That said, those can and do open carry? More power to you my friends. America!
 
dub2sound said:
Don’t think discharging a firearm around gasoline vapors is safe at all. Because of science and the fire coming out of the barrel and such…

The fuel coming from the hose itself could be used as a defensive tool… (there is a YouTube video of this exact thing from South Africa)… hi-jack attempt 4 on 1…

You’re already checking the boxes… looking around, being aware of your surroundings… just be careful not to come across as nervous or vulnerable… cool calm and calculated… if you can spot the potential threat before it comes to you then you might have already prevented anything from happening…

Not all the answers… maybe not the best answers either
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Yes, I think we have all seen this one - a very obvious robbery attempt. I worry about the one where someone causally approaches you and suddenly pulls out and demands your goods when you have no reaction time left. I'm sure there are some gas fumes in the air when the nozzle is stuck in your car but hardly thing there are enough in the surrounding area to hesitate pulling the trigger if the circumstances require. My thought/question is do you think an obvious open carry would be a deterrent in this situation and what would be the downside of this particular open carry scenario?
 
Mr. Ayoob’s observation is quite real about open-carry in Texas leading to more establishments that once tolerated concealed carry now banning both. Open carry does more to sensitize sheeple than to desensitize them to lawful carry.

I fully support the right to open carry. But I think concealed carry is tactically superior to open carry AND I strongly believe open carry yields a net negative effect on public relations.

Florida’s system is better: merchant signage has no legal effect on CCW holders who carry concealed. But a property owner can verbally, personally ask someone they spot carrying a gun to leave. After that, the carrier must leave immediately or risk a charge of armed trespassing. But, if you keep it concealed, no one but you will know and there’s no issue. Note that Florida still has “no go” zones like most schools, courts, police stations, bars, sports stadiums, etc… or any place with armed security and metal detectors. (I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice).

To all my CCW brothers and sisters in states with Texas-like signage laws: please gently and respectfully educate merchants about how they only lose their most law-abiding clients with signage that blocks concealed weapon permit holders from their premises—this works best if done with extreme politeness and while dressed nicely, so as to look like someone who might have spent a fair amount of money in their business. If you can’t do this without being snarky or vaguely threatening, please don’t bother—you’ll only cement their attitude in the wrong direction.

I once was surprised by a 30.06/30.07 sign on the front of a large chain hotel in Texas where my wife and I planned to stay. I dutifully left my guns in the car and went in to explain that I respected their property-owners’ rights and so I needed to cancel our reservation to find lodging elsewhere, since I could not responsibly leave my guns in my car overnight. The manager (as the owner’s legal representative) promptly granted me a waiver, saying they just didn’t want people visibly carrying in the hotel public areas. I thanked her and she then also gave us a nicer room.

It pays to be nice and allow proprietors a chance to understand the downside of such signage.
 
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