Can we have a little fun WHAT Would you pick?
- Thread starter PieterCoetzee
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Not really a scenario for me. It would be a long march for the "social welfare" folks. The biggest threat to my little ole community is the city/suburb folks moving here, then informing us they know what's best for the 145 yr old habitat. One possible caveat might be a formal dance in the gun club.
Biggfoot44
Professional
[ Pulling on my Retro Hat ]
Expand " Pistol Caliber Rifles " fully , to include Leverguns .
.44 Mag rifles are respectable brush guns in their own right , even if you don't have a companion handgun .
I have hunted with .357 levergun . The tricky thing with them , is finding projectiles with desired terminal performence at rifle velocity .
But yeah . They don't have detatchable 20 or 30 rd mags , or look tacticool .
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Theres nothing wrong with a lever gun for self defense, especially if you live in a BLUE state that doesnt allow ARs etc. The Space Cowboy guns that surfaced a few years ago allow lights and lasers to be easily mounted. Some will want 30-30 or 45-70; but pistol calibers like 44 or 45LC are good and 38/357 allows even more ammo on board. A handgun in a matching cartridge can be beneficial; but really not necessary.
They certainly have the advantage of not looking as threatening to a jury, if that ever becomes an issue
KillerFord1977
Emissary
So where does the title of “can we have a little fun” lead to you criticizing folks picks on a purely fabricated “why if” post.
Who cares if it’s beneficial, fantasyland, or a pulse laser rifle. You asked the question then criticized the same people’s posts on type of firearm
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Woa brother. Where did you hear any criticism in my post? Im pretty sure everything I said was positive, Bigfoot even said "even if you don't have a companion handgun." I support the concept of a lever gun (again especially if you live where you cant own a semi)... I dont see any criticism, there was certainly none intended.
Why would I criticize? Im sure I own more then 10 lever guns, from an 1860 Henry to 1973s and 92s and a 336 Marlin. The run from 16" Trapper gun to a 24" with a Malcom scope. Plus a few Martinis. Theres a Henry 45LC loaded next to my bed and a couple of them are in the Space Cowboy configuration. Bro, I went through a Cowboy phase with SAAs and Lever guns as my carry guns
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KillerFord1977
Emissary
Lots of your responses in this thread you started to criticize their choice…
”nothing wrong with a lever gun”
-“think of PCCs as an extension of the SMG class. Just like SMGs there a place where they excel and places were they dont.”
They chose it. Who cares what it is or why they want it .. who cares if there is a place for it..
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Brother we must speak different English. NOTHING Ive said was meant as a critique. Regarding the PCC/SMG comment, remember it was MY choice. By saying they have Pros and Cons (excel and dont), I was merely stating facts AND the reason I chose that platform.Lots of your responses in this thread you started to criticize their choice…
”nothing wrong with a lever gun”
-“think of PCCs as an extension of the SMG class. Just like SMGs there a place where they excel and places were they dont.”
They chose it. Who cares what it is or why they want it .. who cares if there is a place for it..
There IS nothing wrong with the lever gun (see above). Saying theres nothing wrong is a favorable response (at least in the English I was taught). Please dont read anything negative into my comments. I think Im quite able to point out flaws when I intend them.
Im really not seeing any criticism. Everyone is free to choose as they like, I even joked that the thread took a space ship into the future. Then showed the Starship trooper and Stargate guns. My apology if thats not fun. It was certainly meant to be fun
Can we now please return to the fun?
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I started a long-winded response because I wanted to answer any and all questions and be done with it, plus I was waiting for sleep to come anyway.
Now I’m feeling sleepy and am ready to end it.
So cutting to the chase:
Steyr AUG with 1-4X scope.
We are in a subdivision with no long shots in any direction except one: Out back, across our backyard, and angling across a couple more backyards. This little gap is 150 yards or more.
That area takes up a relatively small arc in my 360 degree circle. Unfortunately, that is the direction of the most population, so I cannot brush that off as a small percentage event. I have to plan for worst case anyway.
So it’s gonna be a rifle or carbine of some sort.
I’m going with my Steyr AUG because:
It has plenty of “reach” in terms of power and accuracy for the scenario. It’s even plenty against armor unless someone has a Clint Eastwood AR500 plate dangling from their neck.
It is still short enough for close work.
Same for the 1-4X scope.
The factory 42-round mags work great, and match or exceed the capacity of most (non-drum) SMG mags, and come close to 98% of the drums.
Truthfully, if I knew riots were building close by, and we couldn’t GTFO ahead of time:
Carbines AND shotguns.
Now I’m feeling sleepy and am ready to end it.
So cutting to the chase:
Steyr AUG with 1-4X scope.
We are in a subdivision with no long shots in any direction except one: Out back, across our backyard, and angling across a couple more backyards. This little gap is 150 yards or more.
That area takes up a relatively small arc in my 360 degree circle. Unfortunately, that is the direction of the most population, so I cannot brush that off as a small percentage event. I have to plan for worst case anyway.
So it’s gonna be a rifle or carbine of some sort.
I’m going with my Steyr AUG because:
It has plenty of “reach” in terms of power and accuracy for the scenario. It’s even plenty against armor unless someone has a Clint Eastwood AR500 plate dangling from their neck.
It is still short enough for close work.
Same for the 1-4X scope.
The factory 42-round mags work great, and match or exceed the capacity of most (non-drum) SMG mags, and come close to 98% of the drums.
Truthfully, if I knew riots were building close by, and we couldn’t GTFO ahead of time:
Carbines AND shotguns.
Biggfoot44
Professional
At least with his Post #44 , P.C. was on subject , relavant , non fiesty , etc .
( Even if tacticool leverguns make me want to barf )
( Even if tacticool leverguns make me want to barf )
rcurtner
Hellcat
Mini gun.
dadoser
Master Class
Ok - basic suburban/urban home defense for me -
Hard to choose - but I would be ok going with any of the following below -
Except the 16" AR (bottom); Also, as I'm not a shotgun guy, the Beretta A300 would be my last choice.
*Ruger LC 10mm - 16" barrel. Hits hard. Low recoil. Glock magazines. Heavy. Over-penetration?? May not be the best logical choice - but may be my emotional favorite.
*AR in 300 blackout (FDE) - 9.5" barrel. low recoil. High velocity with 9mm gr. weights.- this may be the one.
*AP5P - 9mm. Very compact. Easily suppressed. Reliable. No lock back on last round.
*AP5 - 9mm. Easily suppressed. Reliable. No lock back on last round. (may favor this one over the AP5P)
*Beretta A300 Patrol - 63 projectiles with 00 buck. Loud. Fear factor, 19" barrel - long and harder to maneuver around corners. limited number of trigger pulls. Recoil a negative.
*Aug - 5.56 - compact w/ 16" barrel - could add the 300blkout barrel assembly for another option.
*AR 9mm.- Glock mags - pairs well with my Glock 19 and Platypus. Very compact. Low recoil. Over-penetration??
*AR 5.56 (Gray furniture) - 11.5" barrel.
Hard to choose - but I would be ok going with any of the following below -
Except the 16" AR (bottom); Also, as I'm not a shotgun guy, the Beretta A300 would be my last choice.
*Ruger LC 10mm - 16" barrel. Hits hard. Low recoil. Glock magazines. Heavy. Over-penetration?? May not be the best logical choice - but may be my emotional favorite.
*AR in 300 blackout (FDE) - 9.5" barrel. low recoil. High velocity with 9mm gr. weights.- this may be the one.
*AP5P - 9mm. Very compact. Easily suppressed. Reliable. No lock back on last round.
*AP5 - 9mm. Easily suppressed. Reliable. No lock back on last round. (may favor this one over the AP5P)
*Beretta A300 Patrol - 63 projectiles with 00 buck. Loud. Fear factor, 19" barrel - long and harder to maneuver around corners. limited number of trigger pulls. Recoil a negative.
*Aug - 5.56 - compact w/ 16" barrel - could add the 300blkout barrel assembly for another option.
*AR 9mm.- Glock mags - pairs well with my Glock 19 and Platypus. Very compact. Low recoil. Over-penetration??
*AR 5.56 (Gray furniture) - 11.5" barrel.
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For me probably the AK, my old, trusty and proven Mitchell Arms Yugo, or else maybe Colt M-forgery. Glock 19 or one of my BHP's as sidearm. 
Depending on circumstances, Mossberg 500 w/long tube... all of these have shown their worth over the decades and never failed me. Working weapons for my job(s), not range toys.
Depending on circumstances, Mossberg 500 w/long tube... all of these have shown their worth over the decades and never failed me. Working weapons for my job(s), not range toys.Fine selection. The flag patch, Arizona?
Hertervillian
Elite
Suppressed 300 pistola. It’ll reach to any distance I’ve got any business shooting, my ears might recover if used indoors. If it just positively has to be shortened I can take off the muffler.
dadoser
Master Class
PieterCoetzee
Professional
Im rekindling a former love affair with AKs. I think the AK-105 may be the MILF of the family. Sure the basic AK is cool and the Krink is sexy; but for for me the 105 series with its mid length (12") barrel seems just about perfect BUT an AK isnt a AK unless its in 762x39For me probably the AK, my old, trusty and proven Mitchell Arms Yugo, or else maybe Colt M-forgery. Glock 19 or one of my BHP's as sidearm.
Blackmesa96
Custom
Go big or go home.
Me like; me want!