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Church attacked in Michigan

I have done training for church security teams. Volunteers from the congregation with a CCW is not enough. Assessed skill levels of the volunteers were dismal. They need proper organization, equipment, training, and skills. All that takes time and money and a real commitment of time. I just last week had someone asking me to train a church team. In light of yesterday I expect to get calls today. We'll see.
 
Old_Me said:
the unfortunate thing is, that to this day, there are many places forbidding guns....in some way, it is thier belief that at the very most, it keeps a possible threat from with-in.

meaning...."what if" there is a couple of people that really do not like each other, and they are both there at the same time...??

see where that can go with one or both having guns on them..????

would each agree to different times to be there..???

cutting the chances of a "with-in" shooting down to a minimum...???

"what if" however, one is "lying in wait" for the other to either enter or exit..????

metal detectors, maybe police or armed security guards may be the way to go....and that costs money, cops and security guards do not work for free......
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Absolutely no metal detectors. It's a church, not a prison. I am head of security of my church and I wouldn't dream of metal detectors or searches.
I left a church security Facebook group becuase they pushed policies like this. They basally wanted security teams to be mini paramilitary organizations.

Discreet, armed security is what it is needed. Maybe a few unarmed as well, as not every situation warrants deadly force.

Training, training, training.

And people should also be trained in basic first aid, stop the bleed, etc...

Sure, you always have the issue of somethign from within. But that's life. You can't eliminate every possible danger. You just have to be preaged to respond. We can't create a real life Minority Report
 
PAGunGuy said:
Absolutely no metal detectors. It's a church, not a prison. I am head of security of my church and I wouldn't dream of metal detectors or searches.
I left a church security Facebook group becuase they pushed policies like this. They basally wanted security teams to be mini paramilitary organizations.

Discreet, armed security is what it is needed. Maybe a few unarmed as well, as not every situation warrants deadly force.

Training, training, training.

And people should also be trained in basic first aid, stop the bleed, etc...

Sure, you always have the issue of somethign from within. But that's life. You can't eliminate every possible danger. You just have to be preaged to respond. We can't create a real life Minority Report
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then metal detectors should not be allowed in schools or airports as well, by your way of thinking.

its a deterrent, at least in my view..carry a weapon into a place, you're gonna get lit up like a christmas tree.
 
Been carrying in my church for almost 20 years and will never stop. And while we don't have an official team of security folks, I know the other men who carry and know that I can rely upon them in a pinch to back each other up. We give each other "the wink" each Sunday.
 
46 years ago at Mrs Greener and my wedding a lot of off duty cops and agents were there, all packing heat. Some of the inlaws and friends who were not LE were taken aback that so many were armed in church. One of my supervisors remarked that you can find some of the most dangerous people in the world in churches.
 
Old_Me said:
then metal detectors should not be allowed in schools or airports as well, by your way of thinking.

its a deterrent, at least in my view..carry a weapon into a place, you're gonna get lit up like a christmas tree.
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Big difference between a church and a school or airport.
But, honestly, I would prefer it that we could carry in schools and airports.
 
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