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Church attacked in Michigan

HayesGreener said:
Press conference said he identifies as a combat veteran with PTSD. That's not confirmed yet. My wild *** guess is if he ever was in service he was booted for being nuts. Let's see how close my guess is.
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No, I think that was the one who shot into the American Fish Company in North Carolina from his boat. He killed 3 and wounded 5. This church shooter was unlived by responding officers.
 
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Onewolf426 said:
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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: The words are bleeping killed, and that's fine by me! (both the word killed and the action of doing so) Sorry brother but "unlived" sounds too much like leftist, soft soap, sh....carp speak to me. Thankfully I don't live where it is illegal to carry in a house of worship and if I do it correctly the church doesn't know. I'll take responsibility for me and mine.
 
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This is why I carry where ever and whenever I can. It angers me to no end that I HAVE to carry. It used to be, not too long ago, that your odds of finding yourself in a situation where you would need your EDC were extremely remote. Now? The way things are going, your odds have increased exponentially. Before 2020, I never thought I may have to carry. It never crossed my mind that I would have to carry to protect the ones I Love. And I never thought I would see the day when judges, district attorneys and politicians would be complicit in turning this kind of violence and evil loose on the United States of America.
 
And yet another reason why all churches should have a response team. People know that most churches are filled with unarmed folks, thereby being a target rich environment for the evil and insane. I’ve carried daily for decades, but never in church until about 10 years ago. I spoke with my priest and told him I carried all the time but not at church. I said “I’m very concerned over this. Part of me says weapons have no place in a house of God, another part of me says a man has a duty and a responsibility to protect that which he loves”. I’ll always remember Fr’s answer “it bothers me too. Pray, pray, pray, but carry”. I’ve done so ever since
 
Shibadog said:
And yet another reason why all churches should have a response team. People know that most churches are filled with unarmed folks, thereby being a target rich environment for the evil and insane. I’ve carried daily for decades, but never in church until about 10 years ago. I spoke with my priest and told him I carried all the time but not at church. I said “I’m very concerned over this. Part of me says weapons have no place in a house of God, another part of me says a man has a duty and a responsibility to protect that which he loves”. I’ll always remember Fr’s answer “it bothers me too. Pray, pray, pray, but carry”. I’ve done so ever since
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it would "bother me" if churches had to be fortified like a castle...complete with extra heavy doors, steel plates on the windows, metal detectors, armed guards and dogs.

we should not have to worry about our places of worship, NO MATTER the religion..be it Catholic, Judaism, Mormon, Muslim, or whatever.......

its a place of spiritual being, peaceful, and love of our faith.

we should never be afraid to attended church services, but we should also not have to look over our shoulders either.

evil is out there, and it will never end.

i'm telling all of you now, i "see" a not too far distant future, where many guns will be banned in this country, and we have the crack-head, nuts and otherwise deranged loose cannon people to thank for this.

its inevitably going to happen.

but then too...we would have the then current military people, that WILL BE ALLOWED to have such weapons, to maybe go bezerk too......

then what....??

disarm the military..???
 
Personally, I feel it is irresponsible not to carry everywhere you go.
And I think it is irresponsible, neh, negligent, for a church not to have some type of security.
I read that church had several hundred people in attendance.
The had no plan, no safety team, nothing?
 
PAGunGuy said:
Personally, I feel it is irresponsible not to carry everywhere you go.
And I think it is irresponsible, neh, negligent, for a church not to have some type of security.
I read that church had several hundred people in attendance.
The had no plan, no safety team, nothing?
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the unfortunate thing is, that to this day, there are many places forbidding guns....in some way, it is thier belief that at the very most, it keeps a possible threat from with-in.

meaning...."what if" there is a couple of people that really do not like each other, and they are both there at the same time...??

see where that can go with one or both having guns on them..????

would each agree to different times to be there..???

cutting the chances of a "with-in" shooting down to a minimum...???

"what if" however, one is "lying in wait" for the other to either enter or exit..????

metal detectors, maybe police or armed security guards may be the way to go....and that costs money, cops and security guards do not work for free......
 
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