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Anchorite said:
You don't have any legal duty or obligation to answer the door.

I would think that with the prevalence of cell phones, no one needs to be knocking on doors for help anymore.

If you're at home, call 911 and have an operator on the line summon law enforcement to your place if it's out of the ordinary when someone knocks on your door.

In this tragic scenario, I have to wonder what possessed the homeowner to open the door and fire.
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No but I have a moral obligation to at least check.
 
last2brake said:
I'm wondering if this is the FIRST time there'd been a knock-and-dash that evening.

It's not hard for me to imagine that the shooter had had repeated issues that night and just was fed-up with the knocking.

No excuse to shoot the kid...I'm just trying to figure the shooter's retaliation.
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Excellent question.
And your right … no excuse whatsoever.
I think I heard a report that the kid was shot down the street, which if true, will likely result in a murder indictment.
I’ve not tried to verify that report, so if I’m wrong, I apologize and hope I’m corrected.
 
Old_Me said:
no, its "gazillionaire"....they got more money than an ordinary bajilionaire.....

$100 can be too much for some people to spend.

you gotta think the neighborhoods and where this crap is happening.

low income, means little to no extra monies.
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Problem is that these incidents happen in middle class neighborhoods. I can’t imagine anyone doing this in a lower class neighborhood. I retired from LE results of a shooting in South L.A. which started when the local gang made a 12 gauge hole in a woman’s door because they thought she was a snitch.
 
Anchorite said:
Excellent question.
And your right … no excuse whatsoever.
I think I heard a report that the kid was shot down the street, which if true, will likely result in a murder indictment.
I’ve not tried to verify that report, so if I’m wrong, I apologize and hope I’m corrected.
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You are correct, the shooter chased him down the street before opening fire on him, the shooting happened no where near the home and the 11 year old was running away and shot in the back.
There was no threat to the home owner.
He will be charged.
 
Since this thread was started late Sunday night, and it's only Tuesday night as I'm reading it, I chose to jump/skip over most posts and read like every 4th or 5th post to get an idea of how folks were thinking. I'll say that what I think I've read I'm pretty much in agreement with. It's always bad when anyone is killed for most any reason, especially a 10-11 yr old child. And more especially when the child thinks he's simply playing a joke on someone. And any grown man who is in good health and sound mind who would choose to shoot anyone in the back, much less a child running away is very hard to understand and almost impossible to condone. But I can tell you why it happens and will likely happen more in the future. The 'prank' is spreading to more and more kids through social media with more and more kids willing to try it because it sounds like fun ... and in their own mind they mean no harm. What they don't realize is there are those people who are old, maybe slipping into dementia, poor health, etc, who are literally afraid for their lives and do not think rationally. Then there is also the fact that the 'prank' has been elevated to ringing the doorbell or knocking on the door and running just to see if there's anyone home. If it appears there isn't anyone home, then they return and it becomes a B&E, sometimes in the worst sense. Most old folks will stay quiet in the instance of this 'prank', then fear for their lives when the pranksters return. And believe me it happens. It became a pretty regular thing in a nearby neighborhood from where we left a few years ago to move to the retirement community (institution). All of this and more circumstances have made this prank so dangerous for both the pranksters and the homeowners these days. Now, I'm hard pressed to find any way this shoot can be called anything but murder, and the shooter was charged just today with 1st degree I believe. But I still have the question of why/how any parent would allow their child of 10-11 yrs old to be out at that time of night running with a crowd of others of similar age. This is another example of why/how things have changed so much, and why/how people have gotten so much more afraid in the past few years that a simple prank could end this way. The gangs/gangsta's are starting out so much younger in life.
 
I still maintain you do not have to answer your door, and you can call 911. Yes, response times may vary from local LE, but still the smarter way to engage, to my way of thinking. To go out and investigate may be walking into an ambush - you just can’t be too cautious.

You can go to the door with the operator on the line, which then documents what transpires. If no one is present at the time to door is opened, get the 911 operator to connect you - while on the open line - to the LE dispatcher. Detail what happens.

Seems a very simple solution.
 
I live in Houston and there's been alot of these "ring and run" incidents that turn into break-ins, robberies and worse. The MO is they usually kick the doors so hard they break the doors, locks, frames etc and then multiple "youths" will enter the house and ransack it. Just a few months ago there was another incident where a group of 12-15yos, all were carrying handguns, and attempted to rob a man attempting to enter his own home however the homeowner got the jump on them and shot them all. These armed "youths", I hate saying youths because they are usually just underage criminals, are more common in Houston than people who live outside of Houston realize. Houston PD, Harris County Sheriff & Constables, Montgomery County Sheriff, Galveston County County and Texas DPS are warning homeowners in and around Houston to be aware of the "ring and run" tactics as well as "jugging"(the criminals stake out ATM machines and follow their victims, sometimes to their homes, to rob them, which makes the "ring and run" not-so-innocent prank anymore especially with the predominant age of these criminals under 18 and usually between the ages of 10-17.
 
maciosaig said:
I live in Houston and there's been alot of these "ring and run" incidents that turn into break-ins, robberies and worse. The MO is they usually kick the doors so hard they break the doors, locks, frames etc and then multiple "youths" will enter the house and ransack it. Just a few months ago there was another incident where a group of 12-15yos, all were carrying handguns, and attempted to rob a man attempting to enter his own home however the homeowner got the jump on them and shot them all. These armed "youths", I hate saying youths because they are usually just underage criminals, are more common in Houston than people who live outside of Houston realize. Houston PD, Harris County Sheriff & Constables, Montgomery County Sheriff, Galveston County County and Texas DPS are warning homeowners in and around Houston to be aware of the "ring and run" tactics as well as "jugging"(the criminals stake out ATM machines and follow their victims, sometimes to their homes, to rob them, which makes the "ring and run" not-so-innocent prank anymore especially with the predominant age of these criminals under 18 and usually between the ages of 10-17.
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what you and @jumpinjoe said, same thing here.......

someone is always "walking the hood", checking yards for parked cars, or empty.

ring bell, and they don't always run, sometimes they stay there, and if you answer they ask for "jamal", or "juan", or "jose"

that's their sure fire way to check on the home being empty or occupied.

which even in my yard, or if i am sweeping the sidewalk of the curbing, i got my side arm.

being old, they know i can be easily knocked down to the ground.

so it don't gotta be a "ring and run" all the time.

sometimes, its a "ring and wait"

and my "hood", is not middle, or upper middle income,....... more like..."lower to middle"
 
maciosaig said:
I live in Houston and there's been alot of these "ring and run" incidents that turn into break-ins, robberies and worse. The MO is they usually kick the doors so hard they break the doors, locks, frames etc and then multiple "youths" will enter the house and ransack it. Just a few months ago there was another incident where a group of 12-15yos, all were carrying handguns, and attempted to rob a man attempting to enter his own home however the homeowner got the jump on them and shot them all. These armed "youths", I hate saying youths because they are usually just underage criminals, are more common in Houston than people who live outside of Houston realize. Houston PD, Harris County Sheriff & Constables, Montgomery County Sheriff, Galveston County County and Texas DPS are warning homeowners in and around Houston to be aware of the "ring and run" tactics as well as "jugging"(the criminals stake out ATM machines and follow their victims, sometimes to their homes, to rob them, which makes the "ring and run" not-so-innocent prank anymore especially with the predominant age of these criminals under 18 and usually between the ages of 10-17.
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I must be missing something here. Mind you, I spend my time btw S. Utah and S. Arizona. I know those areas, but what is up with Houston?
 
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